Made in China

jwcinpk · Jan 1, 2008

Who's seen the tractors from Mahindra China?
Saw some small ones on my dealers lot this week. I believe they were the ES series. I hope this is not where Mahindra is headed. They were crude to say the least.
Anyone know what Mahindra has planned with these?

bindian · Jan 2, 2008

jwcinpk said:
Who's seen the tractors from Mahindra China?
Saw some small ones on my dealers lot this week. I believe they were the ES series. I hope this is not where Mahindra is headed. They were crude to say the least.
Anyone know what Mahindra has planned with these?

Joel,
You mean this one........http://www.billstractor.com/mahes25std.htm and this one...........Compact tractors - small hobby farm tractor supply
I just googled these up. I haven't heard anything about them.
hugs, Brandi

driver444 · Jan 2, 2008

Go on the Tractordata.com website, and do a search on "Lenar" tractors. It gives a little history on the relationship between Mahindra and Lenar. (I only looked it up because of your post!) China-made Mahindras... ... a scary thought.

jwcinpk · Jan 2, 2008

bindian said:
Joel,
You mean this one........http://www.billstractor.com/mahes25std.htm and this one...........Compact tractors - small hobby farm tractor supply
I just googled these up. I haven't heard anything about them.
hugs, Brandi

That looks like them. I was thinking ES 25, but was'nt sure. The fit and finish on the 2 my local dealer had was less than what I expect from Mahindra. It's possible that it was only these 2. I like the curved loader arms and everything seemed to be layed out well. The tractors just looked as though the folks doing the cosmetic work didn't give a hoot. Very well could be great tractors. I'm afraid they will have a hard time selling them.
Anyone know a ballpark price?

DavesTractor · Jan 2, 2008

The fit and finish is not going to equal a more expensive tractor, but they appear to be way ahead of most of what we see out of China. Synchro-shuttle, combined hydraulic (one sump), KMW built loader, R4 tires, etc. I've been to the plant in China and have driven the tractor. It seems like a good machine. Plus it will be backed by a 2 year warranty, have low rate financing, etc. As far a price, that is set by the dealer of course, but I'd expect it to be higher than a Jinma and less than a 2615 Mahindra...somewhere in the middle would be a good guess.

wallace · Jan 2, 2008

driver444 said:
Go on the Tractordata.com website, and do a search on "Lenar" tractors. It gives a little history on the relationship between Mahindra and Lenar. (I only looked it up because of your post!) China-made Mahindras... ... a scary thought.

Well looks like the market is going some what that way... Look at DEERE that's where they are getting some of their loader from now!

LAWALLSTRACTOR · Jan 2, 2008

There is a market out there for the Chinese tractors (Check out Chinese tractors here on TBN) here in the US and Mahindra is just entering that segment of the market. I believe that after the 2 years of testing and updating Mahindra has done with this tractor, that Mahindra has probably surpassed and will be setting a new standard for Chinese tractors, in the US tractor market.

DonWorrell · Jan 2, 2008

I have a friend who was an Ambassador to China from Denmark. He still lives in Hong Kong.

He recently told me there is one thing you can always expect from China and that is poor quality control.

Maybe Mahindra can produce a good tractor from China but I seriously doubt it.

If I was Mahindra I wouldn't import anything from China to the US. They are still trying to overcome the "Its made in India" syndrome. What do you think will happen to the Mahindra name if they get a few poorly made tractor on the market. I may not know much but I do know bad news travels much faster than good news. What that means is this if Mahindra makes the best tractor in the world few will praise it. But let them make a few bad one and everyone will talk about it.

If I were a dealer I would fight tooth and nail to stop imports from China. I think the Mahindra dealers have too much at stake. Well, when you think about it, so do I. If my dealer has to go out of business because of a few bad, poorly made tractor, where will I get parts?

Just my 2 cents.

Don

used4me · Jan 2, 2008

Hi All,

Price between a Jinma and a 2615 is a pretty big spread even when you figure it will be in the middle which brings to mind my own personal issue with the MSRP not being listed anymore on the Mahindra site. At least then you could get a ballpark on the price.

Regardless, yes, everyone is jumping into the Chinese manufactured tractors.
Deere included who bought out Benye so that they could produce tractors over there.

This 1 is quite similar to the 1's shown here POWER UP WITH AGTRAC TRACTORS
and he lists the 30 hp, shuttle, synco for $8200 without a loader.

So, wonder what the Mahindra will actually sell for.

Personally I think the 2015 is a great product.

Later and have a good one.

TJ

Maka · Jan 2, 2008

The one you see on Bills tractor is the one we saw in Korea getting fitted with Korean loaders. By the way, the loader factory we were at had TYM, Kioti, Mahindra loaders & hoes ready to ship. Funny, and I have a picture is the new 40 series Kubota's were at that factory as well so looks like they will be manufacturing loaders for Kubota in Korea.

Lastly, I got the pictures of that Chinese Mahindra at the factory as well and I hope Mahindra (I like Mahindra) sure does do major improvements over those as they were crude and were definitly Chinese quality or lack thereof.

Personally, I feel that If Mahindra were actually manufacturing tractors in China with Mahindra quality controls it could be good. If it is just a re-badged Chinese tractor with the poor quality workmanship I saw then Mahindra could be in trouble.

Just my thoughts and observations.

Maka

LAWALLSTRACTOR · Jan 2, 2008

I know Mahindra has sent the Chinese plant back to the drawing board many times in the past 2 years before they have brought it out in the US market. I don't expect it to be every thing the 15 series is but it isn't priced with the 15 series either. I do expect the tractor to be a step up on the Chinese tractor competition. The area I am from isn't the most affluent area and I know there are some of the Chinese tractors being sold in my area, and I wouldn't mind taking a bit from Northern Hyd.

Sergei · Jan 2, 2008

Now I know what China is going to do with all the lead paint they have left over from the toy market!

shvl73 · Jan 2, 2008

From the pictures, it's a step up from the Jinmas, Fotons and the later generation Lenars I've seen.

magyarbacsi · Jan 2, 2008

A rose is a rose by any other name. Lenar, Kama, etc. and now Mahindra? Can you say JINMA. When I was contemplating buying a Jinma 254, that happens to use the same motor, 385, as the Lenar/Mahindra, I went back to the beginning of the threads, 2002 re china made tractors and read most of them and down loaded enought photos of the problems and fixes to assemble a shop manual. And while each year improvements have been made, they still have enough "little" problems to keep a tinkerer happy and a farmer speak french words. As they claim, if you are handy with tools, Jinma is for you. Common problems with them range from ignition switches, wiring and electrical components to snapped front axles of the 4wd units when using the FEL to its max capacity. Still, they seem to sell like hot cakes. Do hot cakes really sell that well?

Mahindra bought Lenar, Jingaling factory, couldn't resist, it's actually Jiangling, in 2004. Mahindra must have been holding back till now. Who knows, with Mahindra's quality control and a cheap tractor brand...?
I still think Chinese metalurgy is not up to par. Most Chinese tractor come with one year warranty, parts only. So with the New Chinese/Mahindra, you get two yrs, but does that include parts and labor?

DavesTractor · Jan 3, 2008

magyarbacsi said:
Mahindra bought Lenar, Jingaling factory, couldn't resist, it's actually Jiangling, in 2004. Mahindra must have been holding back till now. Who knows, with Mahindra's quality control and a cheap tractor brand...?
I still think Chinese metalurgy is not up to par. Most Chinese tractor come with one year warranty, parts only. So with the New Chinese/Mahindra, you get two yrs, but does that include parts and labor?

Yes, parts and labor on the warranty. Some have commented on the castings. They are much better than they were even 18 months ago. They look very good. Mahindra has the resources and know-how regarding castings. Keep in mind that these aren't rebadged Jinma's, they spent several years re-working this plant. Then they changed most everything about the Lenar. Some are big changes, some are minor, but this is a different animal than the Lenar, despite the similarities. (By the way, no offense meant to Jinma, they obviously have a place and many people are happy with them.)

I think they have a good economy model in the ES25 (which I think is now the 2525). I've put quite a bit of time on a pre-production unit with only a few minor issues. All of the issues were reported and changes were made, so we shouldn't see them again. My test unit is actually about three generations back in the test cycle. I've also driven the newest model, and many of you will be surprised. Will they be perfect? No, but probably the best bang for the buck for a simple heavy duty 4x4 loader tractor.

GIJOE · Jan 3, 2008

Maybe they will put the new Chinese built 400 series Perkins engine in them.

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michellesc7 · Jan 4, 2008

Thanks Joel for the Post and thanks Brandi for the information.
I cannot resist to post. The tractor loader looks like a similar loader to that used on the Montana 40 series smaller tractors. I looked at those, but did not like all of the bolts - notice at the loader mounting and at the front of the tractor. These can be stress points digging northern white or southern red clay or doing anything other than light duty work. I bought the mahindra (have two of them) for robustness and weight to do real work. Secondly, on a more postive note, I looked at Bills financing rate and assuming 5 year or 6 year, it looks like you can buy a 4 wd 25 hp tractor with loader of fair quality for around $11 K plus or minusl. So that brings me to the subject of money and personal risk management. If I need a good quality smaller tractor and I had only a few acres of maintenance work, I'd go for it. The reporting of problems and networking is what this website is to be used for.

My thoughts are if you have days and weeks to do work and nobody's schedule but your own (guys be careful with this one - the wife may want faster progress), buy a small tractor. If you have hours or serious projects buy at least a 45 hp tractor and get some serious work done.

Michelle

jmacshriver · Jan 4, 2008

driver444 said:
Go on the Tractordata.com website, and do a search on "Lenar" tractors. It gives a little history on the relationship between Mahindra and Lenar. (I only looked it up because of your post!) China-made Mahindras... ... a scary thought.

Lenar and Agtrac tractors are built by DFAM. I own a LE304 and it runs great. No, it is not fancy but if all your doing is mowing, tilling and spraying, then why not spend less to buy more toys.

GLLinMO · Jan 4, 2008

My across the board personal opinion / experience is that Chinese- made products from comanies NOT based in China often have a high level of quality. They are made to non-Chinese/Western production specs. However, Chinese products marketed thru importers can be very varied in quality and are not considered equal to Western - branded products.

Remember the connotation of "made in Japan" 40 years ago?

As they say - it's a global economy, not just for the U.S, but for everyone.

Maka · Jan 9, 2008

OK, look at these pictures. Taesung loaders are or backhoes are used by TYM, Montana, Mahindra, Kioti and Look at that other orange machine. I found it interesting that Kubota has their tractors at the Korean loader manufacturer.

I got these pictures in Oct. 07 so about 3 months ago. While there I was talking to a dealer of Mahindra who also sells TYM. We looked at the Chinese Mahindra pictured here and it is no different than any other Chinese and it is supposed to be the current model Chinese Mahindra.

I think if Mahindra does much with these they will hurt themselves. I am a Mahindra fan but if this is what they are putting out there it will probably be short lived in the U.S., be expensive and most likely upset some consumers who get these.

Enjoy the pictures.

Maka