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DavesTractor
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TBDonnelly said:
Thanks Don.
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Thanks Don.
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TBDonnelly said:
I am curious, would you not buy a tractor if it comes from one country over another? If not then what difference does it make where a tractor is made?
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Robert_in_NY said:
Robert,
This has nothing to do with John Deere in India or China or whatever thread you are referencing. It's info I saw on an Equipment Dealer website and thought others would find of interest. I've owned Massey's before, so if that is a prerequisite to post in this section, I have that covered.
Not shocking, not groundbreaking, and not really much of a big deal, hence the confusion at your comments.
Surely something else is buggin' you?
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I am sorry Dave. I just recall anytime I mention anything in a Mahindra forum that isn't all warm and fuzzy I get jumped for having an agenda. Then recently there are threads by Mahindra owners dealing with John Deere and Massey Fergusons and then you start a post in the MF forum that seems quite similar to the Made in China on John Deere thread (although you didn't come out condemming MF like the Mahindra owner did in the JD thread).
I am being honest though, what difference does it really make to anyone where a tractor is made? I can see people having issues with China because of some of the problems coming from there but if your buying a Deere, Mahindra, CNH, Agco whatever you are relying on that company to monitor their plants and to produce a quality product regardless where it is built. And the fact you sell Mahindra tractors which are made overseas also seems odd that you would be surprised that other companies do the same.
This goes along the same line "off-brand" and other silly things that have nothing to do with the quality of the product. My tractor is better then yours because it is made here or yours is an "off brand". A post like this almost seems like you are saying "look everyone, MF builds tractors here too" To me (having followed some of the other Mahindra threads) it either meant you were trying to drum up business for Mahindra by linking MF to India also or to knock MF as some idiots knock Mahindra because they are from India.
As I said before, where tractors are built really doesn't matter and all it amounts to is racism for the tractor world.
I am being honest though, what difference does it really make to anyone where a tractor is made? I can see people having issues with China because of some of the problems coming from there but if your buying a Deere, Mahindra, CNH, Agco whatever you are relying on that company to monitor their plants and to produce a quality product regardless where it is built. And the fact you sell Mahindra tractors which are made overseas also seems odd that you would be surprised that other companies do the same.
This goes along the same line "off-brand" and other silly things that have nothing to do with the quality of the product. My tractor is better then yours because it is made here or yours is an "off brand". A post like this almost seems like you are saying "look everyone, MF builds tractors here too" To me (having followed some of the other Mahindra threads) it either meant you were trying to drum up business for Mahindra by linking MF to India also or to knock MF as some idiots knock Mahindra because they are from India.
As I said before, where tractors are built really doesn't matter and all it amounts to is racism for the tractor world.
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Robert_in_NY said:
OK Robert, I think I understand, and you were beat up a few times, but it wasn't me. I am not "them". So your comments were resultant of baggage from old posts. Apologies accepted. If you read my posts, I seldom stir the pot.
I actually agree with much of what you are saying. A quality tractor can be built anywhere, if done right.
Non-Big 3 owners do get tired of answering "where is it built". People do care, because I get asked every day. Yet many aren't as educated as you are. Most think JD, NH, etc., are built in the USA entirely.
It would be very interesting to start a thread in the general section about where every tractor is made. The only problem is that a few people would likely get defensive and it would go down hill. Why do I care? I've travelled the world a little and have been to tractor plants in other countries. I find other countries and other cultures interesting, and I really enjoy tractors.
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I agree Dave, but the more people talk about where tractors are built the more the topic hangs there.
I know you do not tend to stir the pot but don't you want to ask some of those people who ask you where the Mahindras are built where their shoes come from or where the computer that runs their car comes from? I just can not get over how so many people still get hung up on where is it made. There is not one tractor made entirely in the US or any country for that matter. Parts come from all over, steel comes from all over, oil comes from all over.
Do you really meet many people that think all New Holland tractors are built in the US? That would be funny since anyone that knows the short history of New Holland tractors know they are owned by Fiat but even back to the Ford days, their great selling point was Harry Fergusons 3 point hitch from England. Without that Ford tractors were no different then any of the other tractors on the market. Tractors have always been a global product ever since they started making tractors. Deere bought Lanz, Agco bought everyone else, the guys they didn't buy Argo did.
I guess thats why it doesn't make any sense why people get hung up on where tractors are made since they have always been made all over the world. It makes no difference to me what brand of tractor I run or where it is made. All I care about is that my dealer will take care of me if there is a problem.
I know you do not tend to stir the pot but don't you want to ask some of those people who ask you where the Mahindras are built where their shoes come from or where the computer that runs their car comes from? I just can not get over how so many people still get hung up on where is it made. There is not one tractor made entirely in the US or any country for that matter. Parts come from all over, steel comes from all over, oil comes from all over.
Do you really meet many people that think all New Holland tractors are built in the US? That would be funny since anyone that knows the short history of New Holland tractors know they are owned by Fiat but even back to the Ford days, their great selling point was Harry Fergusons 3 point hitch from England. Without that Ford tractors were no different then any of the other tractors on the market. Tractors have always been a global product ever since they started making tractors. Deere bought Lanz, Agco bought everyone else, the guys they didn't buy Argo did.
I guess thats why it doesn't make any sense why people get hung up on where tractors are made since they have always been made all over the world. It makes no difference to me what brand of tractor I run or where it is made. All I care about is that my dealer will take care of me if there is a problem.
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As if it even mattered WHERE any tractor was built. It's not about where, but about HOW they're built. I hear constant critisizm about point of origin for all brands, however, the "complainers" never show any link to quality or lack there-of. Also, I constantly hear Mahindra owners (as an example) raving about the built in quality of Mahindra tractors, their link to old IH models built in India by Mahindra, yet most of their their tractors that are imported to the US in recent years were built in South Korea and Japan. Does that make them automatically BETTER or WORSE? Or does it make any significant difference?
I'd prefer to judge my tractors by things like performance, economy of operation, over-all quality, dealer/parts/service support, and over-all value. Point of origin is meaningless. We've all seen some quality tractors come out of India, and we've all seen some garbage. Would it be fair to automatically link a tractor to either end of that spectrum without a fair evaluation?
I do however, find it most amusing how so many Mahindra owners seem to be so caught up in "proving" the equality of their "Indian made tractors" (that aren't made in India) , even to the point of announcing what Massey Ferguson has already made known. (Info was made available from MF 18 months ago)
India and China are the two largest markets for utility tractors today. Neither will allow "outsiders" to import tractors for sales in their home market. They have to be built there to sell there. Massey Ferguson, being one of the largest "players" in the utility tractor industry is merely doing what has to be done to keep their market share. Massey has had a link with Same for several decades. Same has had a presence in India for quite some time. That's nothing new, nor is it anything that needs to be addressed as if it were a change. Every brand with an interest in maintaining a reasonable level of competitive market share has already made moves to enter those markets. Quality of the products exported from India is to be determined by the standards of each company involved and not by the geographic location of their factories.
I'd prefer to judge my tractors by things like performance, economy of operation, over-all quality, dealer/parts/service support, and over-all value. Point of origin is meaningless. We've all seen some quality tractors come out of India, and we've all seen some garbage. Would it be fair to automatically link a tractor to either end of that spectrum without a fair evaluation?
I do however, find it most amusing how so many Mahindra owners seem to be so caught up in "proving" the equality of their "Indian made tractors" (that aren't made in India) , even to the point of announcing what Massey Ferguson has already made known. (Info was made available from MF 18 months ago)
India and China are the two largest markets for utility tractors today. Neither will allow "outsiders" to import tractors for sales in their home market. They have to be built there to sell there. Massey Ferguson, being one of the largest "players" in the utility tractor industry is merely doing what has to be done to keep their market share. Massey has had a link with Same for several decades. Same has had a presence in India for quite some time. That's nothing new, nor is it anything that needs to be addressed as if it were a change. Every brand with an interest in maintaining a reasonable level of competitive market share has already made moves to enter those markets. Quality of the products exported from India is to be determined by the standards of each company involved and not by the geographic location of their factories.
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Taft has been building Massey Ferguson's at least since the 1970s. They are one of the many licensed manufactures around the world that builds Massey tractors such a Uzel, IMT, Ursus and Same to name just a few.
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My 1998 231 Massey Ferguson is made in Poland by "Ursus". I've had it for a couple weeks now, and put right at 35 rough hours on it bushhogging. It has 531 hours on the meter. It seems to be Very well built. I haven't had a single problem with it. It is Extremely fuel efficient, which also helps tremendously.
Personally, I don't care where a tractor is made, as long as it has a good quality and parts support.
As far as the China tractors (talking about the Farm Pro, Jinma, Lenar, and a few others in that category) are concerned, I wouldn't buy one just yet because the quality just isn't there yet for me. I've been told there is a good parts support for them, but that doesn't make up for the lack of quality.
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Personally, I don't care where a tractor is made, as long as it has a good quality and parts support.
As far as the China tractors (talking about the Farm Pro, Jinma, Lenar, and a few others in that category) are concerned, I wouldn't buy one just yet because the quality just isn't there yet for me. I've been told there is a good parts support for them, but that doesn't make up for the lack of quality.
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Travis R: so your tractor is a real bear to drive?
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