Magnetic mounting hardware for round baler control box?

[Tx Jim]

I'm not a fan of the plastic twine. I prefer sisal since it'll break down over time.

I'm not a fan of either type of twine(plastic or sisal) I prefer netwrap.

 

[bazman82]

I'm not a fan of either type of twine(plastic or sisal) I prefer netwrap.

If I could have afforded a netwrap baler, I would prefer netwrap as well.

 

[Hay Dude]

If I could have afforded a netwrap baler, I would prefer netwrap as well.

Yep! I hear ya.
So many things I would like to upgrade or buy, but can’t. Money’s just not there.
Haying is a super-tough business and just keeping it going is difficult.
I look at what my friend TXJim is going through with the drought situation in his area and marvel at his ability to remain positive and continue going.

 

[5030]

Are you talking about stored bundles in the packaging or in the balers?

Talking about on bales stored in the barns. No mice issue here with stored twine, not that I have much at all. Just 2 mega balls in the baler. As you said the issue with poly is where the remnants wind up. More than once I've gotten it in the lawnmower spindles and it destroys spindle bearings, melts under friction and destroys the seals, the grease leaks out and the bearings fail.

Never used sisal, never seen it for sale locally either. Always poly, usually 'Orangeline'.

 

[5030]

If I could have afforded a netwrap baler, I would prefer netwrap as well.

The issue with a net wrap baler is the net wrap adds a lot of complexity to a baler. Twine wrap is pretty simple, a couple twine arms, an electrical/mechanical actuator, twine storage and routing whereas a net wrap baler has a duckbill insertion device, cams, actuators spreader rolls a cut off knife and electrical-mechanical roll brake and they all have to work in concert with each other or the bales won't be netted properly and then there is the issue of weight of the net roll as it pertains to loading and the cost per roll of net. it's decidedly quicker than twine wrap and the bales can be stored outside with little spoilage (if the net is applied correctly and you run over the edge net). The net forms a water shedding roof for the bales where as twine don't.

Net has increased appreciably in price lately, but then so has twine.

I heard (from a good source) that Kubota is no longer going to offer 'branded' net for their balers so you might fine a 'deal' at a local Kubota dealer on net. Not sure who made the Kubota branded (orange and white) net rolls. Like I said, I like Bridon net and like twine, not all net is created equal, some are better than others.

 

[Tx Jim]

Yep! I hear ya.
So many things I would like to upgrade or buy, but can’t. Money’s just not there.
Haying is a super-tough business and just keeping it going is difficult.
I look at what my friend TXJim is going through with the drought situation in his area and marvel at his ability to remain positive and continue going.

Hay Dude
Thanks for your concern. My being nearly retired makes dealing with drought easier for me.

The local custom hay balers with large equipment payments & livestock owners that owe for cattle & pasture rent are the people I feel sorry far. Last local cattle auction bred cows dropped $100-$150 per head.

According to local cattle auction report very few cows are being purchased to be returned to pastures. One would think beef in grocery stores would be at bargain prices but packing house owners are too greedy!

 

[5030]

Just keep monitoring the per bale price here. it's been climbing steadily, just like everything else today. 2 consecutive months of economic contraction equals a recession. Been 2 months now so I'd say we are there.

 

[Tx Jim]

The issue with a net wrap baler is the net wrap adds a lot of complexity to a baler. Twine wrap is pretty simple, a couple twine arms, an electrical/mechanical actuator, twine storage and routing whereas a net wrap baler has a duckbill insertion device, cams, actuators spreader rolls a cut off knife and electrical-mechanical roll brake and they all have to work in concert with each other or the bales won't be netted properly and then there is the issue of weight of the net roll as it pertains to loading and the cost per roll of net. it's decidedly quicker than twine wrap and the bales can be stored outside with little spoilage (if the net is applied correctly and you run over the edge net). The net forms a water shedding roof for the bales where as twine don't.

Not all rd balers have a duckbill. I know JD rd balers definitely don't have one. I think JD net attachment is relatively simple. My JD rd baler netwrap is still performing correctly with minor maintenance with 29091 bales wrapped. Ferrous dust hasn't affected my balers switches either. I've never seen the need to sharpen the net knife.

 

[5030]

So Jim, how does the net insert? It has to have some sort of device that introduces the net to the rotating bale and allows the net tail to start wrapping the bale. It also has to have some method of keeping the net away from the bale as it's forming so it don't 'grab' it prematurely. The completed bale is sequestered in the bale chamber, the net has to be 'introduced' to the bale. Curious as to how your JD baler accomplishes that? It also has to have a net brake to ensure the net is under continuous tension as it wraps the bale and the brake has to be adjustable so at the end of the wrap cycle, the net is tensioned enough so the net knife cuts it cleanly and it stops the rotation of the net roll so it don't wind up just hanging there.

Curious about the mechanism and how it operates. the new Kubota bailer I just purchased don't have a full width duckbill like the NH I traded in either. The insertion device is much smaller in width but it's still an insertion device.

 

[Tx Jim]

JD net attachment attaches to rear of baler tailgate. The net sits in a cradle & is routed through 2 rollers. 1 roller is rubber cover & other is a steel roller. After net passes through these 2 rollers with BTW top rubber roller has a spring applied brake pad. When net is activated the 2 rollers are controlled by an electric actuator arm to feed net down outside of bale forming belts held against belts by a guide down to bottom gate roller where formed hay bale starts getting netwrap applied. When set number of wraps is applied actuator arm retracts rod applying knife to cut net. Yrs back JD recommended applying talcum powder to roller but I haven't done that in many 1000's of bales. there are several U-tube videos addressing netwrap application to bale on JD rd balers.

 

[5030]

Watched one a while ago. Interesting arrangement.

 

[5030]

I like the rear mounted net roll too. Much easier than my front mount, straddle the tongue to load deal. One thing I noticed in the JD vid was that the belts appeared to be extremely slack when they ejected the bale. My belts are never slack on the Kubota or the NH.

Probably should have investigated a JD round baler but I'm allergic to green...lol

 

[bazman82]

I store my bales outside so the mice prefer to chew the bale and not so much the string. Even for the bales that are sitting, it's the weather that deteriorates the strings. It's all for my personal use but I'd like to be able to have less waste and a used net wrap baler should cost less than a new building for hay.....

 

[5030]

I store my bales outside so the mice prefer to chew the bale and not so much the string. Even for the bales that are sitting, it's the weather that deteriorates the strings. It's all for my personal use but I'd like to be able to have less waste and a used net wrap baler should cost less than a new building for hay.....

Absolutely. A couple tight layers of quality net wrap is like having a roof over the bales and a net bale is so much easier to deal with than string anyway. 10 seconds with a box cutter and the hay is free.

My customer stores all of his outside. never been an issue but he does stack them on skids to keep them off the ground.

After watching the JD YT explanation, I think I'd be shopping for one. Not that my new Kubota round baler is bad but the JD system is much simpler. Hard to beat 52 over the edge net wrap. The NH I traded in always had issues with 52 for as long as I owned it. it was fine with 48 but with 52 it was not. The Kubota I bought will run sileage bales as well and wrap with poly but I'll never do that. Only dry hay here.

 

[Tx Jim]

JD net attachment is simple & durable. As I've previously stated all 29091 bales my baler has made have been with net. Loading net from rear is difficult enough. I can't imagine the "FUN" of straddling tongue while loading netwrap in baler.

I personally don't like over the edge netwrap. YES if bale has been made correctly & net applied correctly over edge net bales have a little more eye appeal BUT when stacking bales in a row(flat to flat) if stacking person doesn't get bales very snuggly together the rolled over edge can allow rain water to enter between bale flat sides. BTDT. I also think over the over the edge what JD calls Cover-edge is more difficult to remove from bale at feeding time.

 

[5030]

JD net attachment is simple & durable. As I've previously stated all 29091 bales my baler has made have been with net. Loading net from rear is difficult enough. I can't imagine the "FUN" of straddling tongue while loading netwrap in baler.

I personally don't like over the edge netwrap. YES if bale has been made correctly & net applied correctly over edge net bales have a little more eye appeal BUT when stacking bales in a row(flat to flat) if stacking person doesn't get bales very snuggly together the rolled over edge can allow rain water to enter between bale flat sides. BTDT. I also think over the over the edge what JD calls Cover-edge is more difficult to remove from bale at feeding time.

You don't have to straddle the tongue but you do have to lean over it. The JD setup is still easier because the net roll on the Kubota (and the NH I traded in, you swing the empty net roll bar to the side and put on a new (heavy) roll. The older I get, the heavier they get. I know, 75 pounds (roll) don't seem like a lot, but it is.

There are a couple different widths of net and I believe the JD over the edge net is 54 and 56? I'm using Bridon 52 which gives you about 1" of over the edge wrap, not much but it goes a long way to keeping the bales neat and tight. The bales I run here go in the barn and I stack them on end, 3 high with the bottom bale on a skid. Gotten real good using the forks to stack them too. Like to have a bale squeeze but I'm too cheap to buy one. Both loaders have front mounted remotes that rarely get used.

Not feeding them anyway, cattle have been gone almost 2 years now. Don't miss them one bit actually. Problem with having farm animals is you cannot ever leave the farm for any length of time (not that we go anywhere anyway). Gas is too expensive to make unnecessary trips today.

At least with net there is no feeding (and inserting twine in the twine arms and tying and trimming all those square knots and hoping they feed through the twine tensioning plates without hanging up. I keep the baler twined up but it's there for emergency only.

Nice thing about the Kubota bailer is, it keeps a running linear count of feet used and you program into the computer control the amount of lineal feet on a new roll and it 'warns' you when the roll is almost depleted, so you don't run out in the middle of a wrap. Nice feature actually. The NH didn't have that, you had to visually watch for the end of roll warning stripe.

As a rule, I run at 540 until the bale starts wrapping and then I'll back it down to around 450 to complete a wrap.

 

[5030]

One item that has never been mentioned and that is the use of a magnetic mount for the control box and how the magnetism may or may not impact how the control unit 'talks' to the bailer. I didn't realize it but was told by the Kubota rep when he was here to adjust my net tail that having magnets near the control box wiring can adversely impact the sending and receiving data from the on board the bailer unit. He told me the CAN BUS wiring can be impacted and why that wiring cable is twisted instead of straight run, just to eliminate that issue. Not all that up on electronics so I'll take his word for it.

 

[Tx Jim]

Baler keeping track of linear feet remaining in a roll of net is a very nice feature. IMHO just something else to go wrong & possibly require repair.
When baling with my JD when red strip appears on wrapped ejected bale I know have enough wrap for 5 or 6 bales. When alarm sounds that net was not cut I just turn off pto, install new roll of wrap, turn pto on, touch "wrap key" on monitor then eject wrapped bale. No fancy linear netwrap counter to fail either.

 

[Hay Dude]

Just keep monitoring the per bale price here. it's been climbing steadily, just like everything else today. 2 consecutive months of economic contraction equals a recession. Been 2 months now so I'd say we are there.

2 consecutive quarters, not months.

 

[5030]

Mine has a wheel that rides on the roll and uses a Hall effect sensor just like the crankshaft sending unit you have in your car or truck that 'counts the number of times the magnet passes in front of it. Pretty simple and very reliable too. Automakers have used them for decades to control timing and to tell the ECM the motor is rotating.

Certainly not fancy and very reliable too.