JerryG
Super Member
It looks to me like the tractor was pulling the trailer. No truck involved. That is a dollie under the front of the trailer for the tractor to pull from.
Massey Bucket drag..- OUCH
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No doubt he was pulling the trailer which is why it didn't flip instead. He was very lucky in some respects because I would bet paychecks he was headed to the field to load either large rounds or large squares of hay. If the trailer we loaded when it happened, I suspect it would have flat run over him. The trailer momentum did two things:
1) Had tongue weight on the rear to keep to from flipping
2) Had a lot of momentum to transfer into the tractor as it was being sandwiched.
The "compact" comment was funny. The email of the pics had a subject line of "KMW Loader Question." When I open the email, the body says, "I was wondering if KMW made a loader for this new style of compact tractor." I left him a VM saying that while we could not fit it right now, if he got us the tractor we could design one for it.
1) Had tongue weight on the rear to keep to from flipping
2) Had a lot of momentum to transfer into the tractor as it was being sandwiched.
The "compact" comment was funny. The email of the pics had a subject line of "KMW Loader Question." When I open the email, the body says, "I was wondering if KMW made a loader for this new style of compact tractor." I left him a VM saying that while we could not fit it right now, if he got us the tractor we could design one for it.
MrSteve
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My thought... The Ford (showing plate) was pulling the trailer and tractor, the Ford lost the trailer off of the 5th wheel hitch (maybe broken hitch or pin), the dolly pin/goose of the trailer went into the ground after coming off of the truck (trailer is now stopped dead, truck still moving) and then the "untied" tractor came of the trailer and dug the FEL into the the ground.
All in all the ford driver said "Don't worry Bill the Ford can handle the load and no reason to tie the tractor, I am only going a mile down the road".
Just another reason not to over load your truck, even if you think it can pull a house.
All in all the ford driver said "Don't worry Bill the Ford can handle the load and no reason to tie the tractor, I am only going a mile down the road".
Just another reason not to over load your truck, even if you think it can pull a house.
Birdhunter1
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I agree with Mr Steve on this one, the guy was probably working solo and needed the truck and trailer to load hay onto and pull back to the barn where he had another tractor to unload it or another trailer to hook up and bring back for more. Since he was by himself he hauled the tractor on the trailer so he could move both at once, he was probably on flat field roads and didn't have to go more than a couple miles so he didn't worry about chaining it down.
I realy don't think the tractor was pulling the trailer, there is no hitch for the goosenck to 5th wheel dolly, the only mark in the groudn is where the trailer hit the dirt and there does not appear to be any marks on the ground where the tires would have dug in as some are claiming. Plus it does not appear that the tires have anything on them and thos back tires would have really had to take a large bite to climb over the loader and snap the tractor in half. My guess is the tractor would have stalled, died and lost momentum before crumbling up the way it did.
I realy don't think the tractor was pulling the trailer, there is no hitch for the goosenck to 5th wheel dolly, the only mark in the groudn is where the trailer hit the dirt and there does not appear to be any marks on the ground where the tires would have dug in as some are claiming. Plus it does not appear that the tires have anything on them and thos back tires would have really had to take a large bite to climb over the loader and snap the tractor in half. My guess is the tractor would have stalled, died and lost momentum before crumbling up the way it did.
Birdhunter1
Veteran Member
Plus I am thinking if the tractor had been running a fire may have been involved as well.
Somebody should have amde a poll out of this!
Somebody should have amde a poll out of this!
I have spent 30 years in the auto body repair business and have seen almost everything, one thing I am certain about is the tractor would have been moving very fast to be damaged this much, much faster than it is capable of going on its own. That means the only other plausible explanation is that it came off the front of the trailer, after the goose neck dug into the ground. The bucket of the FEL then dug in at an angle that would have caused the tractor to stop immediately but, not low enough for the tractor to flip over. Then the full weight of the tractor was tedering on the FEL frame and most of the forward inertia was now gone. The back of the tractor would have been very high in the air, coming down as the FEL frame buckled. As the tractor fell from the high point The entire weight of the unit would have slammed downward to the ground. This would explain the way the tractor is bent in the middle in two different directions. The only way the cab could be bent backward is if it was moving that way.
P.S. Cars don't very often catch on fire when they are wrecked (less than .01% have any sort of fire) that is something perpetrated by TV and the movies.
P.S. Cars don't very often catch on fire when they are wrecked (less than .01% have any sort of fire) that is something perpetrated by TV and the movies.
Farmwithjunk
Super Member
The trailer has a dolly under the front end. It was most likely being towed by the tractor. In pic #3, it appears that the drawbar has substancial damage, indicating the trailer was hooked to it. Had the trailer been towed by the truck and came unhitched, there would have been no reason why the tractor would have rolled off the front. (Notice no skid marks behind trailer wheels) I'd say that trailer was PROBABLY going to soon be loaded with big round bales. No fire simply because diesel isn't a fire hazard. These pictures are popping up on every website in existance over the last few days. It's only a matter of time before "the rest of the story" emerges. For some reason, I'm thinking TEXAS here.
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buckwheat
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I'm not sure I agree that a low speed cannot do this. As an extreme example, think of a tractor being pushed by a freight train at 10 mph. If you drop the bucket into something substantial, the tractor is going to fold. Velocity is a big player, but so is mass.
Killer_B
Platinum Member
Maybe the guy just wanted a compact.
Agreed on the freight train theory, however my statement is based on the discussion that the tractor was either towing or riding on the trailer. The amount of damage favors the riding on the trailer theory. Assuming the tractor was pulling the trailer, and a freight train was on the trailer I find it difficult to accept the fact that the tractor was rolled into a ball, but, the goose neck of the trailer appears to be undamaged. I believe this supports the trailer being towed by another vehicle theory.
I signed up last week after receiving the pictures by e-mail which sparked my interest for more information. I searched the net and found this statement on this site. It amazes me the statements that are so assuredly made on the forums that I belong to; there is such positivity without ever having the facts. Sure makes eating crow much harder in the end?ray66v said:
As far as the pictures show, the tractor was pulling the trailer. There is plenty of inertia behind the tractor and that particular trailer. It broke as the weakest point of the tractor, where the engine is mounted to the tranny.
I talked to a guy this weekend that has seen a tractor break in that exact spot by only lifting something too heavy with the loader.
I found another site on the net with a clearer picture of the truck plate, see attachment. If someone wants to run it and get the facts I遏･ sure we豎*e all interested. It seems like the license # is 118 CTK, and the style of the plate looks a lot like the Saskatchewan like this one: http://members.shaw.ca/kcic1/plates/sk.jpg
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...Seem to have time to post in here though.
Together with the SK license plate on the Ford pickup, and the stickers on the cab that say Full Line Ag, I got the dealer information in Swift Current, SK, Phone: (306) 773-7281.
Ok, here's the scoop per a salesman at http://www.fulllineag.com/. The owner of the Massey tractor was traveling down the road in road gear pulling the trailer with a full load of bales. Either the owner or the owner's 4 year old son accidentally pushed the joystick to roll the bucket down into the road. The 4 year old actually was thrown out of the cab onto the road but fortunately sustained only scrapes and bruises. The owner as I understand was relatively unhurt. The tractor has been submitted to insurance and that's where it stands as of now.
Would you like your crow plucked or with the feathers on it?
MrSteve
Platinum Member
You coming here to show your point like you have is far from you being liked. We have nice family here and we really don't need/want this type war that you are trying to start here.
So good for you, your point has been made... Now be a man and move on. Take care.
So good for you, your point has been made... Now be a man and move on. Take care.
Miekk; Congratulations! You may have succeeded in finally being right about something. Perhaps you could use the same energy to solve some of the worlds real problems, or possibly cure cancer. We will all pray for you, good luck!
ray66v said:
I've learned in my life that it's what you learn after you clearly know it all that counts. Willingness to learn through correction is the hardest but often the most effective. I'm not stupid, nor am I calling you two that either, just pointing out the need for research and facts before such certainty.
Gentlemen, take care.
