skent
Platinum Member
the bullets are kinda heavy and cost alot. I want to start reloading at home.
Steve
Steve
Maximally obnoxious noisy gun.
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richh
Gold Member
Pat, Boy sure sorry to here about your pet nut. I had one my self, but he just die 2 days ago!!!!! I know how much fun it is to come home from a long day at work only to find that now you must deal with the nut next door. If i typed faster/ better i could go on for hours just as you could and im sure you have just skimed the surface. My soultion was to have every gun totten buddy i new come over and have a shoot out, every thing from 223 to 50 BMG and yes every one that said the 50 BMG was the bigest loudest is right!!! BIG BOOM so we would shoot off 3 to 400 rounds on a sunday, did this for about 4 weeks. Funny he just kinda fadded away and left us alone. This was about 7 yrs. ago and now hes gone for good!!!!
I wish you luck!
I wish you luck!
RichH, Glad to hear your situation improved. Everybody has to be somewhere but not in a community where you are a danger to everyone within miles. Perhaps your tactic worked for you. Not sure that would help here. The guy really is a nut, non linear, at least a sociapath (sp) if not a psychopath. He has an unhealthy tinge of paranoia, as he always carries bayonets, pistols, and often scoped rifles around with him on his 4 wheeler (into town?). Guns stashed all over his house on shelves behind silk plants etc.
It is a shame becauses he really does know his guns and marksmanship. I really admire his ability and before it became obvious that we could never get along and that I would/could NOT trust him, I planned to build a long distance firing range on my prolerty that he could use. I would get coaching from him as he is master instructor qualified in long range shooting, sniping, etc. I drool when I see his scopes on his sniper rifles. As I have no previous experience at ranges over 300 yds I thought I was going to really ejoy this guys company and learn a lot.
Oh well, one day I will have the target range for air guns, rim fire, and pistols for all ranges up to and including 100, 200, 300, 500, 800, and 1000 yds and 1000 meters (everyone can't agree) on my property. I have the room and can do it safely without endangering anyone. He will not be invited to participate. I'm sure I can find other folks who would like a safe place to shoot who are certified instructors. Ranges out to 1000 meters just aren't that plentiful. As I like archery, I intend to have a couple courses for that as well. one for standard target distances and one of the modifiable "golf" style ranges as well as a customizable 3D course. All it takes is a little design, a little dirt/tractor work, enough space and, of course, alternative pasture for the stock.
I really don't feel sorry for this clod as his mother in law is only a few miles away (maybe 5 or less) and has plenty of space for him to shoot safely. Unfortunately the only safety consideration he has is his personally being behind the muzzle when the weapon discharges.
Patrick
It is a shame becauses he really does know his guns and marksmanship. I really admire his ability and before it became obvious that we could never get along and that I would/could NOT trust him, I planned to build a long distance firing range on my prolerty that he could use. I would get coaching from him as he is master instructor qualified in long range shooting, sniping, etc. I drool when I see his scopes on his sniper rifles. As I have no previous experience at ranges over 300 yds I thought I was going to really ejoy this guys company and learn a lot.
Oh well, one day I will have the target range for air guns, rim fire, and pistols for all ranges up to and including 100, 200, 300, 500, 800, and 1000 yds and 1000 meters (everyone can't agree) on my property. I have the room and can do it safely without endangering anyone. He will not be invited to participate. I'm sure I can find other folks who would like a safe place to shoot who are certified instructors. Ranges out to 1000 meters just aren't that plentiful. As I like archery, I intend to have a couple courses for that as well. one for standard target distances and one of the modifiable "golf" style ranges as well as a customizable 3D course. All it takes is a little design, a little dirt/tractor work, enough space and, of course, alternative pasture for the stock.
I really don't feel sorry for this clod as his mother in law is only a few miles away (maybe 5 or less) and has plenty of space for him to shoot safely. Unfortunately the only safety consideration he has is his personally being behind the muzzle when the weapon discharges.
Patrick
richh
Gold Member
Well it sounds as though it would not work for you, he would just want to come out and play and it sounds as if he is bad company!!!! Your place sound alot like mine, we can shoot up to 600 yd. and thats it but it's far enough for me! I just took all of the dirt from the basment and piled it up at one end of the feild an we were ready to go! Had to do something with the dirt/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Rich
Rich
StoneHeartFarm
Veteran Member
Patrickg
This probably won't help, but I remember years ago being shown a gun that I was told was a "3ga Punt Gun". Apparently these were used for commercial duck hunting when that was still allowed. Looked pretty much like an oversized shotgun and worked the same way except I was told that you set the butt on the bottom of the boat and pull the trigger. Had a shell about the size of a beer can.
SHF
This probably won't help, but I remember years ago being shown a gun that I was told was a "3ga Punt Gun". Apparently these were used for commercial duck hunting when that was still allowed. Looked pretty much like an oversized shotgun and worked the same way except I was told that you set the butt on the bottom of the boat and pull the trigger. Had a shell about the size of a beer can.
SHF
Bird
Rest in Peace
I can just imagine the recoil punching a hole in the bottom of the boat./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
Bird
Bird
Yeah, "commercial" sportsmen/harvestors would use those in boats (punts) to fire at ducks on the water not neccessarily in flight. Those big bore versions were typically fired from a mount in the bow like a swivel gun which I suppose is what they were.
My largest bore is a .75 calibre muzzle loading flintlock pistol. And I thought that was a hand cannon. Well in truth, I sorta converted it to a match lock. Frizen (frizzen?) didn't spark very generously so I case hardened it with only minor improvement. Considered inlaying a small file but didn't. Made a small block of wood to substitute for the fllint. Two holes in the wood accept a pair of strike anywhere kitchen matches. You do have to break off the matches a bit to shorten them. When fired the matches strike the frizzen and light up and are broken in the middle and thrust into the prime charge in the pan. Extremelly reliable ignition what with the redundancy of two matches. Not real authentic but simple, cheap, and worked real good.
IT sure was fun letting guest marksmen shoot at tin cans tossed in the air. If you ever had any tendency to flinch this would bring it out times ten. You pull the trigger and the hammer smashes the matches into the frizzen nocking it up and letting the bent lit matches hit the pan of primiing powder (5x). Next the prime flashes off with a hiss and puff of smoke igniting the charge in the barrel. It begins to burn building up pressure and hissing smoke out the touch hole. Then KABOOM the main charge goes "critical". Lets see now. Click, flash, hiss, boom. How many times can you flinch during one shot? With practice and patient coaching, you can usually get someone to grit their teeth follow the can while pulling the trigger with follow through to stay aimed during the click, flash, hiss, boom cycle. I always advise pulling the trigger just a bit before the can reashes the peak of its trajectory so it is nearly motionless vertically at the time of the boom part.
According to the "books" this is an eleven gauge shotgun equivalent A N D it is smooth bore. I loaded it appropriately with shot and wadding. Made it easier to hit the cans. I have a 0.748 Lyman single cavity round ball mold to make balls for it. Don't use a patch, isn't needed with just 1/1000 radial clearance. Will bury a ball into a cured log if you stoke it up. A real fun hand cannon. Since last year I counted 36 mallards coming up off of one of my smallest ponds, maybe I should try it out as a fouling piece. Would have to stalk up to waters edge from below the dam out of their sight, wearing my Ghillie suit (only used heretofor for photo-stalking).
Patrick
My largest bore is a .75 calibre muzzle loading flintlock pistol. And I thought that was a hand cannon. Well in truth, I sorta converted it to a match lock. Frizen (frizzen?) didn't spark very generously so I case hardened it with only minor improvement. Considered inlaying a small file but didn't. Made a small block of wood to substitute for the fllint. Two holes in the wood accept a pair of strike anywhere kitchen matches. You do have to break off the matches a bit to shorten them. When fired the matches strike the frizzen and light up and are broken in the middle and thrust into the prime charge in the pan. Extremelly reliable ignition what with the redundancy of two matches. Not real authentic but simple, cheap, and worked real good.
IT sure was fun letting guest marksmen shoot at tin cans tossed in the air. If you ever had any tendency to flinch this would bring it out times ten. You pull the trigger and the hammer smashes the matches into the frizzen nocking it up and letting the bent lit matches hit the pan of primiing powder (5x). Next the prime flashes off with a hiss and puff of smoke igniting the charge in the barrel. It begins to burn building up pressure and hissing smoke out the touch hole. Then KABOOM the main charge goes "critical". Lets see now. Click, flash, hiss, boom. How many times can you flinch during one shot? With practice and patient coaching, you can usually get someone to grit their teeth follow the can while pulling the trigger with follow through to stay aimed during the click, flash, hiss, boom cycle. I always advise pulling the trigger just a bit before the can reashes the peak of its trajectory so it is nearly motionless vertically at the time of the boom part.
According to the "books" this is an eleven gauge shotgun equivalent A N D it is smooth bore. I loaded it appropriately with shot and wadding. Made it easier to hit the cans. I have a 0.748 Lyman single cavity round ball mold to make balls for it. Don't use a patch, isn't needed with just 1/1000 radial clearance. Will bury a ball into a cured log if you stoke it up. A real fun hand cannon. Since last year I counted 36 mallards coming up off of one of my smallest ponds, maybe I should try it out as a fouling piece. Would have to stalk up to waters edge from below the dam out of their sight, wearing my Ghillie suit (only used heretofor for photo-stalking).
Patrick
Rich, You guys with the big houses with B A S E M E N T S sure make me envious. Basements are pretty rare in these parts. I think I know or am begining to learn why. The ignorant good ole boys who made them did such a disastrous job that they now have a bad stigma attached and are shunned when actually they are a marvelous addition to a house if proper water handling steps are taken. I am about 90% convinced that my new house (hope to break ground later this fall or at least early next year) will be earth sheltered on 2 1/2 to 3 sides with 3-5 ft of dirt on top. It would be essentially a walk out basement with windows on the south side, set into a gentle souith facing slope just above a couple ponds. Won't have any excess dirt to make a range berm like you but can always add another pond as a source of dirt. Got nine, one more couldn't hurt. With the north side bermed I can shoot fairly close to the back of the house or across it and anyone inside won't hear. Underground homes, especially with double or tripple glazing are so quiet you just about don't hear it thunder. We are concerned that we will miss the ambient sounds of nature so I am planning to install some mikes to pick up environmental sounds and play them on the whole house sound system. At first I thought some enviro-sound CD's might be a good idea and I do like some of them but you soon memorize them and it is B O R I N G. Besides I want the real thing, chorus frogs, tree frogs, leopard frogs, spadefoot toads, B U L L L F R O G S, turkey, songbirds, gunfire (oops got carried away wtih realism). As there are ckts with sharp gain cutoffs to discriminate against concussion waves the outside mike signals could essentially elliminate gunfire, mine or anyone elses.
Years ago, Dixie Gunworks (among others) sold reproduction civil war cannons and mortars. One of the favorites was a mortar with a bore to fit the then conventional quart oil can. Folks filled the cans with concrete and used them for projectiles. Guys used to gather at a rural locations and have marksmanship contests. Tires (truck and auto) would be set up at various ranges and the shooters would vie to drop an oil can inside the target tire. Suprisingly, it wasn't a rare event like a golfing hole in one.The experts I saw could zero in few tries, most amazing. Those babies were a tad louder than the average .308 sniper rifle.
Haven't tried to find Dixie or any of that genre in decades, probably went the way of the Dodo after enough dumb things were done with guns, like not having civil war replica arms would somehow help. Every time something stupid happens with firearms involved there is someone trying to pass a law to restrict firearms that if on the books and enforced would not have prevented the act that set of the convulsive law passage ioj the first place.
Patrick
Years ago, Dixie Gunworks (among others) sold reproduction civil war cannons and mortars. One of the favorites was a mortar with a bore to fit the then conventional quart oil can. Folks filled the cans with concrete and used them for projectiles. Guys used to gather at a rural locations and have marksmanship contests. Tires (truck and auto) would be set up at various ranges and the shooters would vie to drop an oil can inside the target tire. Suprisingly, it wasn't a rare event like a golfing hole in one.The experts I saw could zero in few tries, most amazing. Those babies were a tad louder than the average .308 sniper rifle.
Haven't tried to find Dixie or any of that genre in decades, probably went the way of the Dodo after enough dumb things were done with guns, like not having civil war replica arms would somehow help. Every time something stupid happens with firearms involved there is someone trying to pass a law to restrict firearms that if on the books and enforced would not have prevented the act that set of the convulsive law passage ioj the first place.
Patrick
bgott
Veteran Member
Years ago I read about a commercial shotgun that I imagine ought to be pretty loud. This thing was eight gauge and tripod mounted. They used it for shooting the slag out of the top of concrete kilns. That must be a fun job. First you have to contend with the reverberation of the shot inside the kiln then you have to dive out the door before chunks of concrete bean you in the head!
bgott, Is that pronounced bigot? Anyway I always heard the 8 gauge refered to as a goose gun as in "High flys the goose, my little papoose..." Need a big'un to reach way up there. I suppose their application was a goose gun as well but they "goosed" the kiln. Has chimney sweeps international (local 213) heard about this?
A rule of thumb for "measuring" the liveness of an auditorium is to clap your hands loudly, once, and count the seconds until you can't hear the echo. As a person with average hearing (this rule of thumb predated "ROCK AND ROLL DEAFNESS") can hear the echo down to about 60dB of reduction this gives the time for an impulse sound to decay to 1/1,000,000 (-60 dB) of its original value. The time, say 3.5 seconds then is a figure of merit for the "liveness" of the room.
I bet you see where I'm going with this...
I wonder how live the inside of a kiln is? If your ears were protected from the initial blast, I wonder how long it would take before you couldn't hear the reverb (echo). Probably a good long time. Places with long reverb times are difficult to talk in. We had some stair wells in one of the buidings at a DoD/Navy lab where I toiled as a cog in the military-industrial complex that literally stopped conversations with their poor acoustics. A shout or whistle went on for many seconds but at least didn't chip any concrete off the walls.
Patrick
A rule of thumb for "measuring" the liveness of an auditorium is to clap your hands loudly, once, and count the seconds until you can't hear the echo. As a person with average hearing (this rule of thumb predated "ROCK AND ROLL DEAFNESS") can hear the echo down to about 60dB of reduction this gives the time for an impulse sound to decay to 1/1,000,000 (-60 dB) of its original value. The time, say 3.5 seconds then is a figure of merit for the "liveness" of the room.
I bet you see where I'm going with this...
I wonder how live the inside of a kiln is? If your ears were protected from the initial blast, I wonder how long it would take before you couldn't hear the reverb (echo). Probably a good long time. Places with long reverb times are difficult to talk in. We had some stair wells in one of the buidings at a DoD/Navy lab where I toiled as a cog in the military-industrial complex that literally stopped conversations with their poor acoustics. A shout or whistle went on for many seconds but at least didn't chip any concrete off the walls.
Patrick