Maxxforce diesel engines

[Hay Dude]

Im doing the head & head gasket on my IH7500 International HT570 as we speak.
Luckily, the head isn’t warped or cracked, but they reconditioned it and I should have it back together in a week.

Just a doing a International HT570 head gasket kit and head bolts is over $1,500!
Close to 4 grand for a stinkin head gasket job. I remember rebuilding an entire engine for 3 grand lol.

Aside from the pre emissions DT466, IH doesn’t really have much to compare to Cummins.


Let’s see if we can rally this thread back to maxforce diesels.

 

[Paystar]

Dearated because of an engine fault? Or because the owner derated it?

Emissions fault. But to be fare, most people don't realize you can't idle these new engines.

 

[Paystar]

Make sure to tell all your friends they suck.

Thanks

That's a bonus....keeps them cheap for us to buy and make run right, LOL

 

[Hay Dude]

Emissions fault. But to be fare, most people don't realize you can't idle these new engines.

So it derated itself, but it would still run fast enough to go down the road? I guess around a quarry or mine, speed wasn’t a need?

 

[Paystar]

I could rebuild the front end which my dually needs with 257k miles a lot cheaper than doing much engine work especially a newer diesel with emissions.

Say that when the tie rod falls off your Ram at 60 MPH on the highway, LOL Ask me how I know. I then learned the pattern with my Mega Cab dually.....every 50,000 miles it would start to burn all 6 tires off and you knew it was front end rebuild time.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

With the 100’ bucket on it-just like in the picture.
He was also going to deliver it to me (5 hours away) with a current PA inspection.

I have spent many hours in those Altec AH high-line trucks as well as the Terex/Hi-Ranger telescoping upper and lower boom hi-line rigs, set up to do class A live line work that is a $300k setup new, I'll guarantee you when work plcks back up you could sell that rig to a contractor for a healthy profit.

 

[Paystar]

So it derated itself, but it would still run fast enough to go down the road? I guess around a quarry or mine, speed wasn’t a need?

Ya, it would still go, but too slow to go on highway. They had me take it into town for annual safety one time and I had to abandon trip because I was not going to go out on highway that slow, but then I did a forced regen and it was good enough to get to town but it would still give the dash light and lose power randomly.

 

[Paystar]

Im doing the head & head gasket on my IH7500 International HT570 as we speak.
Luckily, the head isn’t warped or cracked, but they reconditioned it and I should have it back together in a week.

Just a doing a International HT570 head gasket kit and head bolts is over $1,500!
Close to 4 grand for a stinkin head gasket. I remember rebuilding an entire engine for 3 grand lol.

Aside from the pre emissions DT466, IH doesn’t really have much to compare to Cummins.


Let’s see if we can rally this thread back to maxforce diesels.

Ya, hard to beat a DT466. There's a reason many pro-stock and farm-stock pulling tractor engines are based off of those.

 

[Hay Dude]

I have spent many hours in those Altec AH high-line trucks as well as the Terex/Hi-Ranger telescoping upper and lower boom hi-line rigs, set up to do class A live line work that is a $300k setup new, I'll guarantee you when work plcks back up you could sell that rig to a contractor for a healthy profit.

From what I have heard, once those bucket rigs hit 10 years old, they are very expensive to get a safety certification on them, so they sell dirt cheap to private contractors.

I just want the chassis, so was going to remove bucket rig, sell it, and put a 25’ flatbed on it to haul hay.

 

[Hay Dude]

Say that when the tie rod falls off your Ram at 60 MPH on the highway, LOL Ask me how I know. I then learned the pattern with my Mega Cab dually.....every 50,000 miles it would start to burn all 6 tires off and you knew it was front end rebuild time.

I have 58,000 on my Ram 5500 and the front end still feels brand new. Almost undetectable tire wear.
Only problems so far is CP-4 pump replaced under warranty and a front spindle let go (probably my fault-I drove it through 3’ of water, but replaced under warranty).
Best small truck I ever owned.
Pulls like a Cummins!

 

[4570Man]

Say that when the tie rod falls off your Ram at 60 MPH on the highway, LOL Ask me how I know. I then learned the pattern with my Mega Cab dually.....every 50,000 miles it would start to burn all 6 tires off and you knew it was front end rebuild time.

I don’t have a ram.

 

[Renze]

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They dropped the MaxxForce nametag altogether. The DT466/530/570 line by the name of MaxxForce 9 and 10 are discontinued, the MaxxForce 13 is renamed A26 alike its European cousin it is based on, the MAN D2676. The S13 is the new Traton worldwide engine, jointly developed by Scania and MAN.

 

[Paystar]

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They dropped the MaxxForce nametag altogether. The DT466/530/570 line by the name of MaxxForce 9 and 10 are discontinued, the MaxxForce 13 is renamed A26 alike its European cousin it is based on, the MAN D2676. The S13 is the new Traton worldwide engine, jointly developed by Scania and MAN.

Yep, they are trying to distance themselves from that MaxxForce name, LOL
I don't know anyone with the S13 yet, but a friend has the A26 in a dump truck and it has been pretty good.

 

[Renze]

a friend has the A26 in a dump truck and it has been pretty good.

MaxxForce 13 was the same engine, engine is fine. It just wasnt a good idea to force feed an engine its own sh*t like Navistar wanted.

A high temperature combustion produces little soot and is therefor more complete and efficient. It just causes oxygen to bond with the 75% nitrogen in the air around us, making nitrous oxides.

With EGR you get air with less available oxygen within the same air mass, resulting in lower combustion temperatures, more soot and lower efficiency. So EGR+DPF, there is a point at which the balance turns very unfavourable for the DPF because the EGR makes the engine produce more and more soot, resulting in clogging up of the EGR system and VGT turbo itself.

Well, everybody else realised they were nearing that point and adopted DEF to take care of the nitrous oxides outside of the combustion chamber in order to optimize their in-cylinder combustion process for an efficient, low soot burn, yet Navistars CEO demanded his team to go beyond that point and even sued the EPA for approving DEF. The results, we all know.

Scania, for certain emission stages, offered both an EGR+DPF version, as well as a DEF version to give the customer a choice. Later they couldnt manage without both, but their latest versions no longer have EGR and sometimes not even DPF.

Ah, i sound like i am promoting the S13 engine: From an engineering point of view, their marketing talk is correct though.
11 years ago i had the same talk with the John Deere sales rep who was trying to talk me into a Deere Tier 4 Final engine with twin turbos EGR coolers throttle valves, in order to pump 30% EGR back into an engine, while FPT had the same responsiveness with a plain old wastegated turbo and DEF.
So, for once, International isnt lying to cover their ass

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[Snobdds]

The 92 I never had to

The 06 I've put a ball joint on

I have 2 f350s as well. They are the beater trucks. Cheap and disposable

You've defied the laws of physics...

You better call the Smithsonian and tell them you have a unicorn. You've have what nobody has...

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

You've defied the laws of physics...

You better call the Smithsonian and tell them you have a unicorn. You've have what nobody has...

Not really. The 2wd trucks don't suffer the problems the 4wd truck do with the front end

Plus they ride better and get better mileage.

 

[Hay Dude]

Some Freightliner 6x6’s out there, but many have C-7’s in them.
Not exactly a powerhouse, or highly regarded either. Basically a school bus engine dropped into a truck that really needs >350HP.
Some of the Freightliners have C-12/12’s in them, or nice to find another IH 7500 like mine with a DT530-HT570 (pre emissions).
Not exactly falling out of trees.

 

[Renze]

Some Freightliner 6x6’s out there, but many have C-7’s in them.
Not exactly a powerhouse, or highly regarded either. Basically a school bus engine dropped into a truck that really needs >350HP.

Here in Holland, with the 46 ton 8x8 and 50 ton 10x10 configurations, everybody opts for the 13 liter instead of the 11. Driving in the sand, you want max torque at low idle when the automated transmission shifts up in the sand

Here in Europe only the firetrucks use an Allison. In other applications the added fuel consumption is prohibitive. But without an Allison you definately need low end torque

 

[Hay Dude]

Really wish we could get Scania over here, but there’s plenty of well made US choices.

 

[mrmikey]

Really wish we could get Scania over here, but there’s plenty of well made US choices.

Apparently they're available in Canada, I didn't know they were so highly regarded or apparently further ahead in emission controls than the US or Canada. No DPF crap to worry about.
Don't know if you follow Edison Motors (No I'm not an electric vehicle proponent) but I like their style and their values. To go from nothing to an actual road worthy tractor in a couple years built in a dome building in Chaces' mothers backyard is pretty amazing.