Metal fatigue/ stress crack in a 1520 loader

[Egon]

Yup; and where was that shiny metal from use located on the bucket pictures we saw.

What didn't I read??

 

[TSO]

Yup; and where was that shiny metal from use on the bucket?

I'm sorry, it's not worth discussing with you any further... You're not grasping the very simple concept behind it, and i don't have time to hold your hand while i repeat it a dozen more times.

 

[Egon]

Grasping the simple concept?? Means I don't agree with your concept doesn't it. Repition does not make things true.

Here are several simple concept's- grasp them!

Corrosion fatigue - Wikipedia

Different Steel Types and Properties

 

[TSO]

Grasping the simple concept?? Means I don't agree with your concept doesn't it.

Here is a simple concept - grasp it!

Corrosion fatigue - Wikipedia

Thank you for posting that link, and validating EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN DESCRIBING.

I use multiple pieces of machinery daily with another multitude of front end attachments. They get scraped shiny-clean each time i work them, and within a couple days off-use, they have surface rust again. Multiply this by 1500 hrs over 8 years, and that link you posted describes exactly what i have discussed, and what the OP has experienced.

Thanks again for helping out!

 

[Egon]

Just showing what happens. A couple of pictures. The first is the OP's bucket. The next is just an ordinary bucket. Completely different process at work. That first bucket was made from inferior/improper steel that corroded around grain boundaries, inclusion packets and layering when rolled.

Here are a couple of run of the mill buckets. Aside from surface rust there is no deep seated corrosion.


Your use of equipment is commendable. But note that there are many people that make buckets shinny on a daily basis. There are also many people that design and build buckets that have never seen an hour of seat time. Them's the fellars that know about corrosion.

When I get time I'll show a picture of my nineteen year old bucket on a tractor with 1400 hours. Lots of surface rust but no visible loss of material. Nothing like the original pictures posted.

 

[Phillip w]

Just showing what happens. A couple of pictures. The first is the OP's bucket. The next is just an ordinary bucket. Completely different process at work. That first bucket was made from inferior/improper steel that corroded around grain boundaries, inclusion packets and layering when rolled.

Here are a couple of run of the mill buckets. Aside from surface rust there is no deep seated corrosion.
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Your use of equipment is commendable. But note that there are many people that make buckets shinny on a daily basis. There are also many people that design and build buckets that have never seen an hour of seat time. Them's the fellars that know about corrosion.

When I get time I'll show a picture of my nineteen year old bucket on a tractor with 1400 hours. Lots of surface rust but no visible loss of material. Nothing like the original pictures posted.

I'm not getting into this hair splitting contest. My opinion is pretty much formed. However one has to take a hard look at that bucket. I like it. Look at those ribs used to beef up that bucket. Looks like an inexpensive way to beef up a light bucket. My thoughts from what I've seen, unless it is real recently, kubota, John Deere and massey ferguson are all behind the curve.

 

[Phillip w]

I think for for farm use you need to look a higher h.p. utility grade tractor,that wood have heavier duty loader and bucket.Size the machine for the job.Take a 30 HP compact and compare it to a case 580 tlb,which one would hold up longer.

Well, "your dog don't hunt" truth is there are heavier old farm tractors backing this tractor up. Truth is one of them has a loader on it that is probably equivalent to that on a 580 case. Truth is my tractors are to big and cumbersome for light work in and around the barns, mowing roadside etc. My dad has a John Deere 4100 (rated less that a massey 1531). Would haul it up here to the farm to do the light stuff. It performed. And held up very well. So, bought this little massey so we didn't have to go get dad's tractor all the time. Results: massey performance and reliability have been terrible. I have to go get dad's tractor anyway because massey keeps falling apart, goes to the shop, and dad's tractor has to come and finish the job/project. I looking into getting a different little tractor. It won't be a massey. Not sure which way to go
While dad had good luck with his John Deere, I have also heard some John Deere horror stories. I have seen bad reviews of both kubota and new Holland, but like wise good reviews. Truthfully John Deere and case ih are real popular in this area. I'm kind of leaning toward case-ih

 

[fried1765]

Well, "your dog don't hunt" truth is there are heavier old farm tractors backing this tractor up. Truth is one of them has a loader on it that is probably equivalent to that on a 580 case. Truth is my tractors are to big and cumbersome for light work in and around the barns, mowing roadside etc. My dad has a John Deere 4100 (rated less that a massey 1531). Would haul it up here to the farm to do the light stuff. It performed. And held up very well. So, bought this little massey so we didn't have to go get dad's tractor all the time. Results: massey performance and reliability have been terrible. I have to go get dad's tractor anyway because massey keeps falling apart, goes to the shop, and dad's tractor has to come and finish the job/project. I looking into getting a different little tractor. It won't be a massey. Not sure which way to go
While dad had good luck with his John Deere, I have also heard some John Deere horror stories. I have seen bad reviews of both kubota and new Holland, but like wise good reviews. Truthfully John Deere and case ih are real popular in this area. I'm kind of leaning toward case-ih

After reading through this thread, I think I will quickly run out and hug my 28 year old (Shibaura) Ford 1920 FEL again.
It is an absolute sweetheart! 1063 hours, torn down 2 years ago for complete refurbishment, and repaint.
People think it is new! It is my baby!
Would not even think of replacing it with a newer model!