Metal fatigue/ stress crack in a 1520 loader

[Egon]

I disagree. Looks like years of environmental conditions eating away at the thinned (from usage) exposed metal. I'm not sure what smoking gun you're seeing from those pics that would indicate "missing metal" ... From any other source than time and use.

The missing metal is quite obvious. Clearly looks like corrosion that seems to follow grain patterns in the steel. If those are wear surfaces caused by abrasion contact they would be smooth and shiney.

I'm not seeing any so called illusionary smoking guns; just metal that has been corroded.

 

[Egon]

Another story of someone that wants the Cadillac but doesn't want to pay for it.

You mean the OP can't expect the service he was led to believe he would get in the sales pitch.

 

[TSO]

The missing metal is quite obvious. Clearly looks like corrosion that seems to follow grain patterns in the steel. If those are wear surfaces caused by abrasion contact they would be smooth and shiney.

I'm not seeing any so called illusionary smoking guns; just metal that has been corroded.

Exactly... Corroded metal from 8 years & 1500 hrs of use, along with environmental exposure during that time.... All on a thin, lightweight, light duty bucket, on a loader only rated to lift 960 lbs, on a small tractor only weighing 2500 lbs.

Golly Gee, I'd hate to see how disappointed you'd be with AGCO when your (probably Titan branded) tires also wear out at some point during the tractor life span !!!??? AGCO probably should have also included an oil filter that would last the life of the machine, LOL.

You mean the OP can't expect the service he was led to believe he would get in the sales pitch.

Service? He's not complaining about service in this thread. He's complaining about being disappointed in a wear-and-tear component. Service wise, it sounds like the tractor has completed all the chores he's asked it to do.

 

[jd870]

Like i said, its a 30 HP compact,not a case 580 TLB.

 

[Phillip w]

Exactly... Corroded metal from 8 years & 1500 hrs of use, along with environmental exposure during that time.... All on a thin, lightweight, light duty bucket, on a loader only rated to lift 960 lbs, on a small tractor only weighing 2500 lbs.

Golly Gee, I'd hate to see how disappointed you'd be with AGCO when your (probably Titan branded) tires also wear out at some point during the tractor life span !!!??? AGCO probably should have also included an oil filter that would last the life of the machine, LOL.

Service? He's not complaining about service in this thread. He's complaining about being disappointed in a wear-and-tear component. Service wise, it sounds like the tractor has completed all the chores he's asked it to do.

Well let's go down this road. Service: tractor performance and reliability is terrible... tractor front end has been shelled three times and steering cynder broke (broke) once. Dealer and field rep finally admitted that the tractor where loader is seeing a lot of use are having front end issues.(My blunt interpretation is they put a loader on a tractor that doesnt have the front axle to support it). Let see tractor will handle a 5 ft brush hog. In 6 inches grass yes. In grass and weeds knee high no. Tractor labor's, over heats (not because radiator screen is plugged and I have seen othere owners mention same over heat issue) and pto has shell twice on a 5 ft king kutter brush hog.( you mean it ain't strong enough to shear the manufacturer shear pin? Kind of defeats the purpose of a shear pin) the thrwe point lift arm have had bushings replaced 3 different times. Yes there are heavier tractors on the farm backing this tractor up. Historically major differential and pto failure was nearly unheard of in tractors. Yeah if you had a lot of hours on a tractor you may need to go in and rework the engine. You have to put an alternator starter or generator on one. But with 30000 dollars in this Tractor and just over 1500 hours is totally this is totally unacceptable. This is not the quality massey ferguson your dad and grandfather had. So regardless if the loader and bucket wore out (1500 hours does not seem like much of a life span) or rusted out from bad metal, how do you explain the tractor especially after dealer and field rep admitted they are see tractors with front end issues where the loader sees a lot of use

 

[TSO]

Well let's go down this road. Service: tractor performance and reliability is terrible... tractor front end has been shelled three times and steering cynder broke (broke) once. Dealer and field rep finally admitted that the tractor where loader is seeing a lot of use are having front end issues.(My blunt interpretation is they put a loader on a tractor that doesnt have the front axle to support it). Let see tractor will handle a 5 ft brush hog. In 6 inches grass yes. In grass and weeds knee high no. Tractor labor's, over heats (not because radiator screen is plugged and I have seen othere owners mention same over heat issue) and pto has shell twice on a 5 ft king kutter brush hog.( you mean it ain't strong enough to shear the manufacturer shear pin? Kind of defeats the purpose of a shear pin) the thrwe point lift arm have had bushings replaced 3 different times. Yes there are heavier tractors on the farm backing this tractor up. Historically major differential and pto failure was nearly unheard of in tractors. Yeah if you had a lot of hours on a tractor you may need to go in and rework the engine. You have to put an alternator starter or generator on one. But with 30000 dollars in this Tractor and just over 1500 hours is totally this is totally unacceptable. This is not the quality massey ferguson your dad and grandfather had. So regardless if the loader and bucket wore out (1500 hours does not seem like much of a life span) or rusted out from bad metal, how do you explain the tractor especially after dealer and field rep admitted they are see tractors with front end issues where the loader sees a lot of use

I can't say anything about all those problems you've had... Clearly you got a lemon. I agree that your experience with that tractor is uncharacteristic of Massey (Iseki) quality. Both of my Iseki-built Massey machines have been flawless, rugged performers. But again, i can understand your frustrations...

But i just think that this battle, about the bucket, isn't worth fighting. I know you're upset with AGCO, but i think that's clouding your objectivity in this matter. It's a light duty bucket, on a light duty loader, on a light duty tractor. It's a wear-and-tear item. If you hate the tractor so much, sell it and buy something you think is better.

 

[Phillip w]

I can't say anything about all those problems you've had... Clearly you got a lemon. I agree that your experience with that tractor is uncharacteristic of Massey (Iseki) quality. Both of my Iseki-built Massey machines have been flawless, rugged performers. But again, i can understand your frustrations...

But i just think that this battle, about the bucket, isn't worth fighting. I know you're upset with AGCO, but i think that's clouding your objectivity in this matter. It's a light duty bucket, on a light duty loader, on a light duty tractor. It's a wear-and-tear item. If you hate the tractor so much, sell it and buy something you think is better.

In all honesty, what should be the life expectancy of a loader?all the loaders i have been around were pretty beefy. The loader on my allis is not showing any signs of stress and it old-old. I have had to put rebuild kits in all of the cylinder (I got my goody out of them no complaint) and I have had to put some hydraulic lines on it ( I got the goody out of them no complaint) that loader and bucket are not going to wear out anytime soon. I worry more about busting a spindle on the tractor. For me to imagine a loader to be wore out in 1500 hours is tough.

 

[Egon]

Exactly... Corroded metal from 8 years & 1500 hrs of use, along with environmental exposure during that time.... All on a thin, lightweight, light duty bucket, on a loader only rated to lift 960 lbs, on a small tractor only weighing 2500 lbs.

Golly Gee, I'd hate to see how disappointed you'd be with AGCO when your (probably Titan branded) tires also wear out at some point during the tractor life span !!!??? AGCO probably should have also included an oil filter that would last the life of the machine, LOL.

Service? He's not complaining about service in this thread. He's complaining about being disappointed in a wear-and-tear component. Service wise, it sounds like the tractor has completed all the chores he's asked it to do.

Use would reduce corrosion as the metal would be nice and shiny. The pictures clearly show corrosion where there are no indications of wear. Perhaps go do some reasearch on corrosion and how equipment wears.

It would also seem you have jumped to unwarranted plain silly or ignorant assumptions on what I might expect service life of components to be.

If you check you will also find the OP has stated some of his complaints/failures on his tractor. They are a little different and more extensive than you indicate.

 

[TSO]

In all honesty, what should be the life expectancy of a loader?all the loaders i have been around were pretty beefy. The loader on my allis is not showing any signs of stress and it old-old. I have had to put rebuild kits in all of the cylinder (I got my goody out of them no complaint) and I have had to put some hydraulic lines on it ( I got the goody out of them no complaint) that loader and bucket are not going to wear out anytime soon. I worry more about busting a spindle on the tractor. For me to imagine a loader to be wore out in 1500 hours is tough.

Try to remember, we're talking about a BUCKET, not a LOADER. A LOADER is the structure, or assembly, that connects to the tractor, has hydraulics, and lifts the implement (in this case, a BUCKET).

Under normal use, with no irregular abuse, I'd expect the LOADER to last the life time of the tractor. Of course, you may need to replace pins and bushings at some point, but overall, the loader frame and assembly should last thousands of hours.

But with a BUCKET, it all depends on the build strength of the bucket (built to a certain required weight and strength) its intended and actual uses, level of abuse, and environmental factors. Like i said above, i bought a new Tomahawk SkidSteer bucket, and it's total garbage, cracks and uneven, within 200 hours. That's clearly a result of either build quality issues... Or... I'm using it beyond it's capabilities. Which shouldn't be the case because it's marketed as a 72" SkidSteer bucket, and most SkidSteers with a 72" bucket have lift ratings around 5000 lbs, and I'm using it on a 6000 lb tractor with a 2500 lb lift rating.

I think your tractor has a BUCKET that is designed and intended for light duty use (built to meet a specific weight and strength target) ... And you've used it heavily for 8 years and 1500 hrs, and simply, it's worn out.

 

[TSO]

Use would reduce corrosion as the metal would be nice and shiny. The pictures clearly show corrosion where there are no indications of wear. Perhaps go do some reasearch on corrosion and how equipment wears.

It would also seem you have jumped to unwarranted plain silly or ignorant assumptions on what I might expect service life of components to be.

If you check you will also find the OP has stated some of his complaints/failures on his tractor. They are a little different and more extensive than you indicate.

Apparently you don't read my posts before you write one... I understand he's had issues with his machine. I'm sure that makes him more likely to find things to complain about.

And regarding the "use" scraping the rust and making it shiny... Yes absolutely. Every time you scrape rust off of the metal, you are removing some of the metal. Rust isn't a foreign object that attaches to metal, it's the metal itself. After each time you scrape it clean and shiny again, the surface will rust, rate depending on environmental factors. And after you complete that process a few hundred times, just think of how much metal you've actually removed.