Most domestic content question

[jake98]

that was a thread and a half, I wouldn't call it ruined...
jake

 

[patrick_g]

that was a thread and a half, I wouldn't call it ruined...
jake

Certainly not. Any thread where a little impromptu extemporaneous psychobabble puts otherwise intelligent folks so on the defensive over total trivia can't be all bad.

I like the idea of content by the pound but why not by volume, anything but by the $. But will it take off from a magic conveyor and what kind of oil to use in it and and changed how often and where do the kids ride on it and how high will the FEL put you for a work platform???

Pat

 

[jake98]

well put. don't forget about the proper wine selection to go with it...

 

[3RRL]

It's funny after reading all the responses that no has bothered to claim themselves as the most domestic part of their tractor...the American man (or woman) that owns and operates it. That to me is the most important part. Who cares where the parts are made. We all use stuff not made in America anymore, get over it. Some stuff works better than others but that was true even when stuff was made strictly in America anyway. The user has a lot to do with performance and in the long run, everything to do with how satisfying it is.

 

[N80]

Who cares where the parts are made.

Builder does.....and he's very, very sensitive about it so be careful that you don't go ruining HIS thread.... again.

 

[hunterridgefarm]

David, what are these percentages based on? Weight? Volume? Number of individual parts? See what I'm getting at? If you say tractor 'A' has 25% domestic (USA) content, does that mean that this tractor, which weighs 4000 pounds (for instance) has 1000 pounds of US material in it? Or does it mean that 25% of its parts were made here?

And, lets say the starter is made in Mexico, does the OEM know where the parts of the starter are from? How? That would rely on Mexican regulator honesty and efficiency wouldn't it?

Not arguing, seriously, just curious.

But lets say we do know for absolute fact that 50% of one tractor is US domestic (whether it is weight, parts or whatever) and another tractor is 70% US domestic. How could anyone use this info for any practical purpose unless they expanded this info to include which parts and how they were made and or assembled?

Patrick: What?

Really, the powers and thresholds of discernment are going to be tempered by whether or not the 'discernee' gives a rip or not. (all in fun, man).

David, what are these percentages based on? Weight? Volume? Number of individual parts? See what I'm getting at? If you say tractor 'A' has 25% domestic (USA) content, does that mean that this tractor, which weighs 4000 pounds (for instance) has 1000 pounds of US material in it? Or does it mean that 25% of its parts were made here?

How the OEM computes I really don't know. However when I report it would be as to how the parts were ordered, (weight, pieces,volume,etc). In most cases we deal with piece parts. So if the OEM ordered 500 parts the were made from steel, mined in the US, it would be 100% domestic. But here is a kicker...if it was a casting, cast in the US but the steel was mined and shipped from China, the country of origin would be China, because we deal with metals. How the OEM computes how much of this casting would be considered domestic (cast and machined in the US) I honestly don't know. But the regulations in place are supposed to dictate this. .


And, lets say the starter is made in Mexico, does the OEM know where the parts of the starter are from? How? That would rely on Mexican regulator honesty and efficiency wouldn't it?

Lets say I buy a drive motor from Mexico, "C of O" would be Mexico. I all "my cases" the OEM tells me who to buy this from; does not matter if it is part of an assembly or it is something I modify. So it is my understanding, not fact, that the OEM should know where all the componets of that drive motor originated since that company should be supplying the same forms as I.

Not arguing, seriously, just curious.

But lets say we do know for absolute fact that 50% of one tractor is US domestic (whether it is weight, parts or whatever) and another tractor is 70% US domestic. How could anyone use this info for any practical purpose unless they expanded this info to include which parts and how they were made and or assembled?

Really it is a point that is hard to argue, one way or the other. And 50% vs 70% who knows other than the OEM how this is arrived at. But I believe it is a combination of parts, weight, volume, etc. be it metal, rubber, plastic, glass, etc.

So if 70% of that tractor is made in the US it would be based on ...only the OEM knows for sure .

 

[patrick_g]

It's funny after reading all the responses that no has bothered to claim themselves as the most domestic part of their tractor...the American man (or woman) that owns and operates it. That to me is the most important part. Who cares where the parts are made. We all use stuff not made in America anymore, get over it. Some stuff works better than others but that was true even when stuff was made strictly in America anyway. The user has a lot to do with performance and in the long run, everything to do with how satisfying it is.

Sorry, but all our ancestors were from foreign locations hence we are all of foreign design however long on this continent. No human life originated here so we are all either direct imports or derived from earlier imports. That suggests that there is zero domestic content in the operators. If that is not acceptable then someone would have to make a determination at what generation imports are suddenly domestic or is it a continuum?

Pat

 

[N80]

Sorry, but all our ancestors were from foreign locations

"My mother was Dutch."
Sheriff Bart (Cleavon Little), Blazing Saddles, 1974

No human life originated here

Well, I originated here.

 

[Builder]

It's funny after reading all the responses that no has bothered to claim themselves as the most domestic part of their tractor...the American man (or woman) that owns and operates it. That to me is the most important part. Who cares where the parts are made. We all use stuff not made in America anymore, get over it. Some stuff works better than others but that was true even when stuff was made strictly in America anyway. The user has a lot to do with performance and in the long run, everything to do with how satisfying it is.

I agree. What needs to be reiterated here is that I didn't want to know which tractor had the most American content because I'm buying a tractor and I want the most American-content tractor. It's just because I wanted to know out of pure curiosity. There's nothing for me to "get over", I own/operate lots of foreign tools & machines.

I think that's when the thread went south. The paraoid one got a bee in his bonnet and came out swinging, needing to know "why do you want to know?". (BTW: I've read that paranoia and other nasty chemically imbalances can be effectively controlled with lithium, prozac, or medically prescribed amounts of similar drugs. I've read shock therapy works, too )

All kidding aside, I want to buy a Kubota M6800 or M7040 for my construction company because I hear Kubota M series will eat a B and poop an L. Kubota is Japanese, last time I checked. So the reason to know wasn't based on any desire to buy a more American-built model, just curiosity.

Hey, why is that black helicopter hovering over South Carolina?

 

[N80]

The paraoid one got a bee in his bonnet and came out swinging, needing to know "why do you want to know?".

Hmmm. Is that the way you remember it? The truth is that the "paraoid one" {sic} simply mentioned that a better defined question would result in a better answer. That suggestion was viewed as an attack...... which begs the question of who is really the paranoid one. Do you actually know what paranoid means? I think you are confusing paranoia with my obssesion with conspiracy theories. A rookie mistake.

(BTW: I've read that paranoia and other nasty chemically imbalances can be effectively controlled with lithium, prozac, or medically prescribed amounts of similar drugs. I've read shock therapy works, too )

Actually, none of those has any effect on true paranoid ideation so get with your doctor and tell him you need to try something else......

Hey, why is that black helicopter hovering over South Carolina?

Its a routine flight out of Ft. Jackson. What do you think its up to?

Admit it Builder. You live for this stuff. Glad I've been able to keep you entertained.