Mostly scrap built (but still awesome) land plane

   / Mostly scrap built (but still awesome) land plane #81  
Ovrszd,OMG your serious about a rider? Have Collin find and fill out an application for a Darwin. That would be history to have the application filled out in advance.A man had his kids ride in the bucket of a Bobcat. They bounced out, he ran over them, and they are dead. Do you think he fells like an idiot now?What would be an indicator of even lower IQ is if people told him it could happen but he ignored them anyhow. I think this post must be a plant to see you gullible people can be. Joke must be on us!
JRP, although you pointed your finger at me, I'm guessing you were talking to the OP. Go be Safety Police somewhere else. It's not needed here. The OP has more intelligence in his little finger than you.So, I guess you are right, the joke is definitely on you. :(
 
   / Mostly scrap built (but still awesome) land plane #82  
Should I hold off on the sand?... not that it'll make that much of a difference... but if it's questionable if the wheeler can pull it...
For something like this I like "add-on" weight. Can be added or removed as need arises. And as you said, the sand won't make much difference anyway in comparison to the total weight of the plane.
 
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I haven't really been following your thread, but one thought occurs to me.
You might want to drill an extra set of holes on the back side of the angle so that you could install the blade reversed. That should allow you to "backblade" for leveling softer soil or gravel.

Good idea, but I can't think of an instance that I'd need it... but I'll keep that in mind!
 
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Looking good, you've got me inspired to build one. You might consider bracing that hitch on the ATV. I can't see yours, but on my Grizzly it was simply bolted to the differential casting, had no strength to resist the higher torque that a 2" receiver hitch adds. For example if someone stepped on the tongue of that 'trailer' what resists the bending on the ATV hitch?

I followed ya until that last sentence. If someone steps on the tongue of the plane... nothing would bend... I can jump on my atv's hitch with a ball in and nothing happens... although I did bend it... that was my own fault. I'd made a "ripper tooth" and it put crazy stress in an upward motion and opened up the square hitch opening to look more like a rectangle. I'll see what the dealership can do when I go for my first service... but i could just beat it back with a mini maul. Maybe weld some key stock around the end like 2" receivers have.
 
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Made some gussets for the tongue... compound angles with an offset radius... fun! LOL Should've used flat plate.


Tiny gusset underneath


... and semi welded in.


If my tank can last I'll be able to take this for a test tow next time I work on it!... but I'm showing 0psi on the tank... still 25psi at the regulator... she's almost done.
 
   / Mostly scrap built (but still awesome) land plane #87  
Looks real good so far. Pipe is a good material but for my minimal skill level box tubing is an easy choice.
 
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I did run out of gas, but was able to burn the tongue in enough to give it a test tow minus blade.

She did ok. The rear seemed to be up in the air most of the time... I may have gotten the tongue on wrong. I'm thinking a relief cut, bend slightly, then re-weld. That or put a hinge so that it can float better. It would need some kind of lock for transport. The good news is that I have enough room at the end of my driveway to turn around! I also noticed that it did bounce around a bit... but it was picking out some fair sized rocks that were just sticking up a bit. I went around and picked them up afterwards. Later passes should fill in the holes left behind.
 
   / Mostly scrap built (but still awesome) land plane #90  
I'm thinking a relief cut, bend slightly, then re-weld. That or put a hinge so that it can float better. It would need some kind of lock for transport.

The plane needs a hinge, needs to float on its own, and the only thing it wants from the ATV is pulling power. You don't want the ATV crossing a ditch, to lift the blade off the surface. Just illustrative, I don't believe this would happen, but I think you want the blade to be completely ignorant of what the ATV wheels encounter.

Aside from that issue, you're pulling from the center of the ball, (up a foot or so high) while the landplane is resisting this pull by its ground contact. Which creates a 'moment' (or another word used is torque) rotating the landplane forward, and tends to dig the front in, and raise the back of the plane. As you reported. You can add weight to the rear to resist this moment but that will add difficulty to the pull.

A detail to pay attention to is the ball height to ground contact dimension. You could lower that a little by going to a clevis type arrengement, or maybe lower it further by inverting the ball in its receiver and flipping the trailer hitch upside down on the landplane.

On the landplane, consider changeing that drawbar to hinge very near to the ground. I can't type without armwaving too, so if you don't understand what I typed, unhook the ball hitch from the ATV and tack a couple chains right at ground level on the skids, and pull it around, and you'll understand what I am trying to type. A hinge will work if its near ground level, and perhaps a longer drawbar will help too. You can experiment with chain length. Longer will tow better but length needs to be balanced against maneuverability.

Maybe it doesn't need a hinge if the hitch (and ball) are invert-able (downward), then maybe the ball rotates upward (in the receiver) for transport, down to grade. Which will also add down-force to the front of the ATV in a hard pull. You don't need ground clearance while grading, only while transporting.

Anyway, this is all typing across the continent - you will figure out what to do I'm sure. As I said before I'm inspired by your project to build one and very much appreciate your work reporting the weights and the assessment of what an ATV will pull.
 
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