Moving logs

/ Moving logs #21  
I'd love to post a pic, (who does not like to show off), however we have about 4' of snow on the ground up here and I honestly could not pinpoint the location my skid at this time.

Sometimes in May OK? LOL
 
/ Moving logs #22  
The cheapest thing I can think of would be a carry all. It would still be a lot of handeling of the logs but for less than 100 bucks including hardware to attach boards to it it will get you some hauling for cheap.

You only have to cut the logs as short as you can roll on to the carry all.
 
/ Moving logs #23  
I'm beginning to think that it might not be a bad idea for someone to manufacture an ECONOMICAL but functional grapple for non-professional users, priced somewhere between $1000-1500.

I've been following this thread very closely, and I just don't think there is anything other than a front grapple (with the possible exception of a 4-1 bucket) that will effectively do the task at hand - moving logs and brush and putting it into a burn pile.

Does anyone already make an "economy" grapple that's not junk? It doesn't have to be built like a tank, or weigh 800 lbs. plus, like the Bradco, Anbo and Pirhana grapples, to get a LOT of work done. Just thinkin' out loud here ...
 
/ Moving logs #24  
CT Tree Guy,

It looks like WR Long may have what you are talking about. I do not think they have had this for too long, because I was looking at their stuff about 6 months ago. They now list Root Rake Brush Grapples for compact tractors. RBG2-48 is 325lbs. RBG2-54 is 339 lbs and RBG2-60 is 365lbs. A post under JD buying and pricing (Post: Grapple Bucket on 3720) said list on the RBG2 (I assume -60 because 365 lbs was mentioned) is $1,795.00, which I would think could be bought for a little less. They have some pictures in their photo gallery almost all the way to the bottom of the pictures. If you take a look let us know what you think. I would really like a grapple, but as mentioned are quite pricey. These smaller models seem tempting.

Thanks,
Russ
 
/ Moving logs #25  
1savoy -

You know what, those aren't bad at all. I do like the significantly deeper lower jaw on my Bradco, but mine is not really designed for grubbing out roots in addition to grappling the way these are. The shorter lower jaw like that would give you more curling and lifting force, which would be a good thing with a smaller loader than an 853. The Bradco has two separate top jaws, but I think a single top jaw would be just fine too. Maybe better even, because mine has a gap between the two jaws that I still need to close up.

These look very well made, and WR Long is certainly a good name. They're right on the ball with hydraulic solenoids and controls too, so it would be one-stop shopping. The weights are good, price is good, and a 48" opening is plenty. All in all, not bad at all.

WR Long Root Rake Brush Grapple - RBG and RBG2

Anyway, I can't say enough good things about having a grapple. Very productive, and just as useful as your own hands are, only a lot stronger.

Good luck, John
 
/ Moving logs #26  
CT Tree Guy,

Thanks for the reply and info. I need to call WR Long and see what they recommend. I will post back with the info when I talk to them.

Thanks again,
Russ
 
/ Moving logs #27  
that is a nice looking grapple, I am wondering if a guy would want the RBG or RBG2 for the 3830, they are saying 1750.00 which doesn't seem to bad, but I wonder how much the HSV and joystick would be? any idea on this? should be easy to mount though? I of course put the top and tilt on, so 2 remotes, but they shouldn't be in the way? A backhoe for digging my big stumps and this grapple to clear all of my brush... Wow maybe I could clear my land just with the tractor... Of course renting a trachoe would probably be faster? But where is the fun in that?
 
/ Moving logs #28  
I have about 9 acres that mostly burned during the Cedar fire an dhav ebeen cleaning up since then...so have a lot of hours in moving logs.

Started using the pallet forks (bolt-on) and whil ethey worked fine it was rarely an all in the seat operation. Lot's of time getting out of the tractor, adjusting, etc to get the log on.

Ended up buying a grapple and it's been great. Unless there are small pieces that fall through between the teeth I never have to get out of the seat and that makes the work go much faster.

Because we had a lot of different sizes and wanted to move rocks (small boulders actually) as well ended up with a complete grapple rather than a bolt/weld on for the bucket.

If all I was moving was full size logs, then the bolt/weld-on type woudl probably have worked just as well (you'd want to check the maximum weight/diameter first).
 
/ Moving logs #30  
Just wondering....Other than a "site/yard/fire protection, etc., why spend all the effort to take logs to the burn pile? The woods should have, and need, downed, and standing dead trees. All the critters and such make good use of these trees, and long before, and after, they are done with them they also provide needed fertilizer.

Different parts of the country - different mindsets I guess. Certainly a clean understory and "perfect" looking forest, tain't a good forest.

Not meaning to insult anyones sensibilities.I'm just curious.
 
/ Moving logs #31  
I spoke to Nelson today at WR Long Inc and he said I would be better off with the RBG than the RBG2 for my old JD301A. List for the RBG-72 is $2,363.00. He has a dealer about 2 hrs from my home, but I gave him the name of a local dealer I know well and he is going to give them a call, to see if they would like to become a dealer. He said he does not have a complete valve kit for my model tractor, but he could sell me the pieces to make up a kit for approx $300.00. I would have to supply hoses and probably a few misc parts. I guess I will have to see what the price from the dealer will be. It is over the $1,500 price that would be a nice price range for the home/ occassional user, but even at the higher cost it would still end up paying for itself in time and effort. I will let you know more when I find out.

Thanks,
Russ
 
/ Moving logs #32  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Just wondering....Other than a "site/yard/fire protection, etc., why spend all the effort to take logs to the burn pile? The woods should have, and need, downed, and standing dead trees. All the critters and such make good use of these trees, and long before, and after, they are done with them they also provide needed fertilizer.)</font>

That's what I do... doesn't look as pretty, but much better for the long term health of the forest, as well as for the wildlife. As an added benefit, the downed trees can provide some protection for the next crop of saplings coming up... in a lot of areas around here, the deer will over-browse an area and prevent the next generation of trees from getting a start.

John Mc
 
/ Moving logs #33  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I obtained a protective end from highway guard rails from local scrap yard.
It is curved and kinda like the end of a ski, also shaped like with 2 grouves or humps.

I welded a couple of 1/2 rings to each side to attach the log butt with a looped chain.(a small binder might be better)
On the underside of the curved end I welded a ring to attach the row chain. )</font>

Somebody sells a commercial version of what you just described. I just can't seem to find it now. It's called a "skid plate" or "skidding plate", but it's been a while since I saw it, so I may be remembering it incorrectly.

John Mc
 
/ Moving logs #34  
Shucks, missed again.

Should have gone to the patent office. LOL

Believe it or not as a teen I designed a packaging idea that today sells millions a copies daily.
Problem was my dad was the area sales rep for the company that sold the machines and copyrights to packageing.
As an employee the rights belonged to the company as it was deemed that being salaried the design was on company time.

On the other hand dad became general manager and retired at age 70 or so as 'special mgr' (mostly playing golf in the last 6-7 yrs).
His special treatment status was kinda a nice reward in itself.
 
/ Moving logs #35  
<font color="blue"> I am wondering if a guy would want the RBG or RBG2 for the 3830 </font>

Ryan, tough call as usual. You're giving up 400-500 lbs. of payload with the heavier grapple, but gaining a lot of jaw opening and associated abilty to carry larger volumes of bulky stuff. If all you were doing was carrying logs, maybe a smaller grapple would be the way to go to maximize payload. An 800-lb. grapple is a lot of "overhead" for even my 853 loader, and your 723 has less lift to "give away". Trade-offs, always trade-offs.

TechJ, I was wondering what brand/model of grapple did you end up with? As usual, pics would be great. Ditto on what type of hydraulic setup to control it - dedicated hydraulic solenoid; diverter-type setup; remote (hope not)?

Maine - speaking of trade-offs ... do you leave blow-down for habitat, and returning nutrients to the soil, or remove it to reduce forest fire hazard? Then there's aesthetics - do you want to look at a great big mess, or clean it up? So many variables, what's a responsible steward of the planet to do .....
 
/ Moving logs #36  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> Maine - speaking of trade-offs ... do you leave blow-down for habitat, and returning nutrients to the soil, or remove it to reduce forest fire hazard? </font> )</font>

I do not worry about it being a fire hazard anymore than any other act of God. I understand that in certain parts of the country the gov't removes the understory so there is not much to burn. And I would certainly use methods to protect my property, if needed. Having said that to reduce brush etc. on a large scale is not necessary a good thing. Fire has a definite purpose in the scheme of things.

I have fought fires some. Once in the New Jersey Pine Barrens, where I was living. It was not a pleasant feeling knowing that at times one quite literally could not move fast enough to out-run the flames. Had to really pick your methods. And - Again....I would employ any means necessary to protect my property.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> Then there's aesthetics - do you want to look at a great big mess, or clean it up? So many variables, what's a responsible steward of the planet to do ..... </font> )</font>

The "mess" is in the eye of the beholder I guess. When I look at my little patch of woods, it warms the cockles of my heart to know that I am letting it do it's own thing. Things - hopefully - stay in balance, as intended.

By the way, I consider my patch a "working forest". I harvest wood, (and leave the slash). I have numerous trails and main woods roads that I have established, for work and recreation.

When I go to the big forest in the sky I know that my kids will appreciate my contribution - they already do - and hopefully continue to act accordingly.

Just another note. It would be physically impossible to keep this "mess" cleaned up.

These are my thoughts on the subject. There is no "intense offended" to others who think differently. I was just looking to get ed-u-cated.
 
/ Moving logs #37  
MP, that was (IMHO) beautifully said. After I made my last post, I thought a bit about how forest fires have obviously been raging long before we had the means to try to "control" them, and how they are, as you said, just a part of nature (at least, those that result from "natural" causes like lightning. Is a cigarette butt a "natural" cause? That might make an interesting debate in and of itself).

I guess things get a little "complicated" when the decision to "let it burn" starts to involve many human lives and thousands of homes, (or alarming percentages of national parks like Yellowstone about 20 years ago), when the (much-needed) insurance industry is already reeling from unprecendented claims from hurricane damage the likes of which have not been previously seen, as we swing into a new cycle of hurricane activity which might well bring us another twenty-plus years of "Katrina"-filled hurricane seasons.

As you said, we do very often fight forest fires (and I would add, try to prevent them) despite their beneficial aspects. Removing combustibles is just another aspect of forest fire control. Tough issue, for sure.

Things do get a little iffy when we try to control mother nature; just look at New Orleans, the possibly ill-conceived channelization and levying of the Mississippi, and the resultant negative impact on the once-vibrant Mississippi Delta.

I don't really want to start a debate about let it burn/put it out, air pollution, global warming, Kyoto, the Army Corps of Engineers, or natural hurricane cycles vs. increased hurricane activity possibly (probably?) being caused at least partly by oceans warmed by man's activities. Suffice it to say that sometimes it's very difficult to get at the "truth". All the more reason that we do our best to try to arrive at that "truth" in as intelligent, thoughtful and civilized a manner as that which you demonstrated in your post.

Cordially, John D.
 
/ Moving logs #38  
Nicely put MP. Leaving blow downs on the ground actually help in the generation of new hardwood growth by protecting the new seedlings that are just strting to sprout. The blow downs give them a protection from the deer and other animals that like to nibble on new growth. When you strt dragging out all the brush you are actually uprooting a lot of unseen growth to the naked eye of future hardwood trees etc.. Just my thoughts....
 

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/ Moving logs #39  
Guys, leaving blowdowns in the forest is one thing, but gthag, who started this thread, is trying to clean up after Katrina. Betcha he's not going into the woods looking for downed trees.

If his place looks anything like mine did after the storm, leaving everything in place would not be an option. That said, I stopped burning a little after I got my Kubota. I just claimed a piece of the woods, way in the back out of sight, & called it my bone pile. There I hauled/pulled all my tree debris. I found this method quicker than burning, & a heck of a lot more fun. However, there's no way I can even get to that site right now - - there are too many storm blown trees blocking my path into the woods. I'll clear that when there are less pressing things to do.

In the meantime, luckily, I can take all my debris out to the road in front of my property, & FEMA contractors are supposed to pick it up. When they take it, it goes to what used to be dirt/gravel pits, where the debris is dumped - - and burned.
 
/ Moving logs #40  
I was talking about the forest. Sorry to hear about all the damage down there. If it was my front yard in a neighborhood I would be going to the burn pile also.. Good luck in your cleanup!
 
 

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