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I wasn't suggesting you change horses. I'm guessing the second SIPS house build would go better than the first. Back in the day, I did construction in the summers. My friend (boss) left another worker and me to install two garage doors. The first one took over a half a day and the second one took about an hour.

I asked him why he left - we could have been done much faster if he had stayed. He said that if he had stayed, we wouldn't have learned how to do it. The rest will come easy.
 
   / My Industrial Cabin Build #432  
Ideally, you would build a nice garage or shop first, using the same techniques you plan to use on the house. Learn many of the building tricks and problems on a smaller, less critical structure. Then the house build would go much faster and easier, and be more precise. I realized this as I finished each phase of my house.
 
   / My Industrial Cabin Build #433  
That is one of the areas, that I have been VERY fortunate. I financed my land, but not my house. So far, I have not had to borrow any money for the house. We are reaching the end of that. I will get Walls, and roof, windows and doors, and then I'm probably gonna be back at a bank, borrowing money to finish. It, shouldn't be too bad, and we should be able to get it paid off quickly, but you can't spend what you don't have on hand. And the faster we move in, the faster i stop paying rent. All of that can then go to paying off any loan on the house.

Hate to be the wet blanket, but I have BTDT, and the news may not be what you want to hear. Banks do not like to do construction loans to individual homeowners (non-contractors). That plus they want them wrapped up in like 6 months, and expect regular progress like a contractor working full time would be making. When we built I knew that was not going to work. I did find a local credit union that was very helpful but there were limits on what they could and would do. When we started, our previous home was owned free and clear. The best route at the time was to mortgage that (cash-out refi), use the proceeds for the new place and then pay it off when we sold it and moved in. The problem was that it was not enough even with our significant savings to complete. With what we had, I was able to get the house dried in, and a good deal of initial finish work done - drywall done and painted, flooring was in, finish electric was mostly done (enough to meet code), though i don't think we had siding on yet. At that point I went back to the credit union and asked them to write a mortgage on the new place. This was a big struggle. The loan officer tried lots of avenues to get the underwriters to approve. In the end it was for significantly less than I wanted, and was non-conforming (variable rate was required) but ended up to be enough to get us well past move-in and deep into finish work. Since that money eventually ran out, we have been able to keep going out of cash flow. That has worked, as finish work is very slow (especially as a second job after work) so it naturally gets spread out quite a bit.

Edit: I should note that this was an actual mortgage, which we still have and are paying off like any normal mortgage. It was not a construction loan. The big difficulty the bank had was writing a mortgage on an unfinished house. On the plus side, since they would not lend us as much as I wanted, we have less to pay off...

I have read stories of others that have had better luck. Probably all depends on the area, the banks/CU's and if you have a long relationship with them or not. Maybe you will get luckier than I did, but from the bulk of what I hear and read, my experience was more the norm (and maybe even better than norm).

So what I am really saying, is start sitting down with the finance folks now. Explain what you are doing and be honest. Many will probably say flat out no, but some will work with you, I bet. Especially smaller local banks or CUs. If you already have a jump on this, then please ignore, but I know I got caught a bit off guard by how it turned out, so wanted to give you a heads-up.

Good luck
Dave
 
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   / My Industrial Cabin Build #434  
^^ Very similar to my experience. The mid sized banks that I've had accounts with my whole life wanted no part of a construction loan. I found one small lender who did construction loans, but the loan had to be conventional. My situation was NOT conventional, as I was the general contractor. Thank God my builder worked with me, acting as GC on the bid, and wrote the bid as itemized sections which allowed me to peal as many of them off as I wanted to do on my own. He would do it all if I wanted, or let me do as much as I wanted. The bank did have strict deadlines with frequent inspections before releasing money each time, so we had to work our butt off to meet that timeline. As said above, start talking with finance people now if you haven't already.
 
   / My Industrial Cabin Build #435  
^^^ same for us. We are GC on house build, garage and workshop over two years. House was first mostly paid by prior house sale. Got building dept final to move in. Flooring not done, only kitchen sink cabinet in, vanities in, but no doors or drawers. Walls painted, no window, door or baseboard trim installed. Wanted mortgage to start garage build, bank person said we could do it, just need to need to have house appraised. Banker was here in house and saw the results. The appraiser came out and wrote appraisal dollar with condition "when finished, ie, flooring, cabinets, etc," then we could get the banks money. We told them we need the money now, house would be worked on this winter. They did not like that. So we found another loan company that used the county tax assessor's value, which was a partial house value and the 80 acres. They did not even ask for pictures, no visit, etc. So we got the mortgage money to build the garage. Jon
 
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I was not planning on a construction loan. I should have roof, windows,doors done. I think I can get the electric, plumbing done also. Loan will be for drywall( hiring that out) and cabinets in kitche. I should be able to sign for that. Maybe I am naive and will get an education.

I was expecting SIPS panels delivered tomorrow. They called and cancelled on me today because they don’t want to deliver in the rain. So I will get delivery on
Monday I was looking forward to getting some work done on the house. Friday and Saturday will have rain so I will focus on doing what I can and be ready for them next week.
 
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I was not planning on a construction loan. I should have roof, windows,doors done. I think I can get the electric, plumbing done also. Loan will be for drywall( hiring that out) and cabinets in kitche. I should be able to sign for that.

So that would put you in a very similar spot as I was.... Seriously, set up some time with a bank/CU loan agent, explain your situation and see what they say/recommend. Do it now as you may have to hit several places to find the right one (or possibly even one that won't just kick you out right away). Tell the whole story, as the appraiser will see it all anyways (unless you can somehow avoid that).

Make sure those panels are blocked up and kept flat and tarped, once delivered. You don't want them sitting in the mud or getting warped.
 
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So that would put you in a very similar spot as I was.... Seriously, set up some time with a bank/CU loan agent, explain your situation and see what they say/recommend. Do it now as you may have to hit several places to find the right one (or possibly even one that won't just kick you out right away). Tell the whole story, as the appraiser will see it all anyways (unless you can somehow avoid that).

Make sure those panels are blocked up and kept flat and tarped, once delivered. You don't want them sitting in the mud or getting warped.

I did a refi on my farm this year. Not for the house, but to lock in at a good rate. I'll call the farm credit folks and talk to them. IF that doesn't work, I'll figure something out. One way or another, I'm moving in next year.
 
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I finally started getting the SIPS delivered. It was raining last Friday so we had to delay. We are not on flat ground, so it takes linger to unload a truck. This was the first of four trucks. None of it is fast, and we are only getting one per day.

SIPs panels delivered. Finally! - YouTube
 
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Was just thinking about this yesterday if you got them.
 

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