My truck is in the ditch!

[airbiscuit]

If I had a dollar for every time I saw someone snowplowing in the rock laden desert ...

 

[MossRoad]

 

[MossRoad]

 

[Garandman]

Point was that everyone keeps saying that a wide mud tire dont do well in the snow. And my 16" wide mud tires did just fine in the snow.

Not exactly a controlled experiment.

Mud tires usually have a much harder compound than winter tires. They tend to do OK in deep snow due to the tread pattern, but are absolutely useless on ice, or snow on top of ice.

The "M+S" designation is not a performance standard: it just means there is at least 25% Open tread. Real winter tires have the Mountain/Snowflake icon, which is a performance standard developed by the Canadians and NIST.

There are a small number of "All Season" truck tires that carry this rating. To my knowledge there is only one passenger car all-season that meets it: the Nokian WRG3. Otherwise, winter tires do not have tread wear ratings or warranties and don't have the UTQG ratings on the sidewall.

There's good reason why "All Season" tires are also called "No Seasons" or "No Reasons." Truck tires do a little better in snow because there's a lot of weight on them, and their new tread depth is as much as 15/32nd compared to as little as 10/32nd for new passenger tires, but every storm the ditches are full of 4WD pickups and SUV's....

 

[jack707]

On my plow truck I have copper AT3 and they do a good job.

 

[LD1]

I plowed snow for alot of years with that old dodge that had boggers. Didnt do alot of in town stuff, rather rural driveways. The thing was almost like a tractor. I cannot even begin to count the number of times that someone was stuck in their driveway in their 4wd pickup or suv, and I'd drive around them, pull them up to their house, then plow the drive.

My truck before that was a 79 dodge 3/4 ton also with 35" tires, but those were 12.5" wide BFG all terrains.

Nothing does well on ice other than true winter tires and/or studs. And many people dont use them any more because winters arent as bad as they used to be.

Alot of the plow guys I run with have mastercraft courser C/T's. So the notion that an all terrain or mud tires dont do well in the snow has NOT been my experience. They do just fine. As good as a actual softer compound snow tire or a studded tire....no. But I have never had any issues moving a full blade of wet and heavy snow in whatever truck I was in.

 

[Deadman]

Anyone that thinks wide tires do well in snow needs a lesson in "Real Snow" in the Northern most states!

Skinnys is for snow, wides are for mud.

 

[k0ua]

I am no tire expert, but I can tell you all this: When I put my Firestone Blizzak's on the Chrysler minivan it is like day and night difference between them and the Michelin highway tires that they replace. They offer much more traction to get going and to stop in both ice and snow conditions. Of course they are not worth a darn in hot weather, and need to come off in April at the latest around here. And of course they wear much faster than the Michelins also as they are much softer. Believe it or not, they offer better traction going up my steep gravel covered hill in dry conditions at low speeds also. I can go up it without tire spin going very slowly, which I cannot do with the Michelin's. With the Michelin's on, I must alway hit the hill with some speed or risk spinout. So that is my 2 cents, that winter tires with the little mountain/snowflake on them make a huge difference. That's all I know.

 

[Garandman]

Anyone that thinks wide tires do well in snow needs a lesson in "Real Snow" in the Northern most states!

Skinnys is for snow, wides are for mud.

These are the four trucks Toyota sent across Antarctica. They were accompanied by tracked vehicles.

 

[Cougsfan]

:confused3:Someone could resolve this argument my taking a tire off one side of their dually truck and see what side gets stuck first! :cool2: