My wife wants a Gazebo, Help!

[CADplans]

Re: My wife wants a Gazebo, Help! , Framing for a 10 footer.

I will price up the stock list, Bet it comes in around 3,000 if I use premium materials.

Go ahead,, use less than premium $$$ materials.

By next Christmas,,, you will be wearing burlap underwear,,


:laughing:

 

[EddieWalker]

Re: My wife wants a Gazebo, Help! , Framing for a 10 footer.

Hex shape will be easier than Octagonal,

I will price up the stock list, Bet it comes in around 3,000 if I use premium materials.

For me, the math is easiest going with four sides. But then it wouldn't have that tradtional gazebo look. Going with 8 sides makes the math just as easy, you just make all your angle cuts half of what they would be in a four sided structure. Instead of 45 degree cuts, you set your chop saw to 22.5 degrees.

For materials, what the finish product looks like is going to be more important then anything else. I don't believer you'll suffer any structural issues going with Grade 2 lumber, but you will have more knots to fill in and bark rounded edges to deal with.

 

[newbury]

Re: My wife wants a Gazebo, Help! , Framing for a 10 footer.

My Wife's uncle did something similar; built a low deck just above ground level and covered it with a metal double-car-size carport. It has mature shade trees along the south side which provide all-day shade, and a small outdoor kitchen off one corner. Had many a family gathering there since they built it a few years ago.

Mine has suggested on occasion building a small one between the house and the barn - or even possibly on a small island in the lake, like a Japanese tea house - but realized we would rarely use it. We're adding a sunroom on the back of the house instead.

Ay there's the problem. I had to erect a sitting rose arbor for the "women". Never got used, I had to maintain the roses. Lasted about 5 years and was always in the way of mowing.

Never heard of, or even thought of an Ice Carousal before. I had to watch the video just to see how they made it.

How long would one last in your neck of the woods?

Hex shape will be easier than Octagonal,

I will price up the stock list, Bet it comes in around 3,000 if I use premium materials.

I'd estimate about $10,000. And use any materials "left over" in building another shed

 

[mike69440]

$10,000 has too many zeros after the first digit. I try never to buy cheap stuff. I try to buy good value stuff at a low price (Cheap!)

I got some pricing on the stock list I put together for my 10 foot Gazebo.

I'm thinking I should use what is left of the 22 gauge standing seam roofing when we had the solar panels put on our barn, asking the fellow who did our roof to get what extra he need s to sheath and roof the Gazebo after I get the frame up. That should be at least a 50 year roof. I'll be gone by then.

Including all Lumber, 5 sets of composite railings, Ten Fancy Iron Bracing, Screen Door, Screens, Railing and a step, Simpson Strong Ties all over, large Pyramid blocks for the posts, Metal roof, a Little Cupola,and all hardware and paint, I should do this for less than $3,000 in materials, and my DYI will be better built than any "Store Bought" or "Built on Site", production model at about 1/2 the $$$$ outlay.

I'm not sure if I'll use a Home depot discount or just get some actual good lumber delivered from a lumber yard.

I still need to get quotes, All things considered I would rather support local.

All the other stuff, well it's called shopping.

See photos what I picked up today at: All the decking, a nice door and some other trim for $320
Big Jim's Home Center Concord, NH 63-227-9571 ( It helps if they like you)

Best prices on the complete line of Simpson Strong-Ties:
Mudsupply.com - Specialty Construction Products

Fancy Iron Decorative Post Braces:
Amazon.com: Ekena Millwork BKTM1X1X12SVE 1 2" W x 1" D x 12" H Versailles Wrought Iron Bracket (Single Center Brace): Home Improvement

Also I'm not sure how legit this 12 X 16' kit is on Amazon, but I bought both the 10 x 12' and 12 X 16' off Craig's List for a total of $1250.00 For the asking $499, if anyone is looking for a shelter for cheap money, there is a lot to these kits.

Amazon.com : Sojag 5-6158274 2 Track No.77 Messina Hard Top Sun Shelter, 12' by 16', Charcoal : Patio, Lawn & Garden

For comparison:
Amazon.com : Sojag 5-6158267 2 Track No.77 Messina Hard Top Sun Shelter, 1' by 12', Charcoal : Patio, Lawn & Garden

I have not touched a tractor in two weeks. (Bored)
Today 30 mph winds single digit temps, even in bright sunshine it was Burrr! A few days ago it was near 60F.

Pity the fruit crops again.

http://www.breezyridgegsmd.com/

 

[newbury]

$10,000 has too many zeros after the first digit. I try never to buy cheap stuff. I try to buy good value stuff at a low price (Cheap!)
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Well I'd estimate $10K in the hope of having $8K left over for tools and other projects

 

[mike69440]

Also I'm not sure how legit this 12 X 16' kit is on Amazon, but I bought both the 10 x 12' and 12 X 16' off Craig's List for a total of $1250.00 For the asking $499, if anyone is looking for a shelter for cheap money, there is a lot to these kits.

Amazon.com : Sojag 5-6158274 2 Track No.77 Messina Hard Top Sun Shelter, 12' by 16', Charcoal : Patio, Lawn & Garden

For comparison:
Amazon.com : Sojag 5-6158267 2 Track No.77 Messina Hard Top Sun Shelter, 1' by 12', Charcoal : Patio, Lawn & Garden

I have not touched a tractor in two weeks. (Bored)
Today 30 mph winds single digit temps, even in bright sunshine it was Burrr! A few days ago it was near 60F.

Pity the fruit crops again.

Breezy Ridge GSMD - Home

Today if you click on the link for the
Amazon.com : Sojag 5-6158274 2 Track No.77 Messina Hard Top Sun Shelter, 12' by 16', Charcoal : Patio, Lawn & Garden

The price is back to $2,411.75. Of course,that $499 price was too good to be true, so Amazon I suspect removed it.

I think I did pretty good buying the 10 X 12' and 12 x 16' shelters for $1250, about 28 cents on the dollar.

The 10 X 12' will be used to cover the firewood and the 12 X 16 to shelter implements, etc.

Shelters have good reviews, but they warn there are about 1,000 screws that need to be driven and its a two man job.

It's up to 5 degF now in the bright sun. NH has had widespread power outages due to the high winds, and our 3'rd world power grid infrastructure. March is in like a lion.

Just had to pull out our horse trailer that slid off a snowbank up against my excavator where I parked it this winter. I dragged it sideways with our little Max28.

That poor tractor hydraulics and power steering cavitated horribly for the first minute and the n hydraulics were really slow. Got to switch to Synthetics soon.

 

[EddieWalker]

...5 sets of composite railings...

Since a gazebo does not have a solid wall to give it the sheer strength found in a house or other building, it needs all the support it can get. Your metal brackets will help, but the rest of it needs to come from the railing. When the railing is tied to the posts, it locks it all together. I went with steel on mine for the most strength that I could possibly get. Each of my railings are held in place at each end with four 6 inch Ledger Lock lag bolts.

My concern is that if you use composite railings, they will not provide any structural support.

 

[mike69440]

Since a gazebo does not have a solid wall to give it the sheer strength found in a house or other building, it needs all the support it can get. Your metal brackets will help, but the rest of it needs to come from the railing. When the railing is tied to the posts, it locks it all together. I went with steel on mine for the most strength that I could possibly get. Each of my railings are held in place at each end with four 6 inch Ledger Lock lag bolts.

My concern is that if you use composite railings, they will not provide any structural support.

Eddie,

Your correct about the lack of stiffness due to no walls.

That's why I'm using the Simpson Strong-Ties:
Mudsupply.com - Specialty Construction Products
along a 2 x 6 with 2 x 8 Double sill.
The Deck is going to be plenty strong with the under deck bracers.
Maybe you can't see to well in the .pdf but I will have two mitered posts to the 4 x 4 post that I'll attach the rail to. These also screw to the sill and to the post.
The roof will also help.
My wife not thrilled about my chepo composite ides, even though they are the sturdy Aztek brand, so I maybe forced to go metal at 3X the cost.

So if anyone has suggestions on metal railings, please chime in.

 

[EddieWalker]

I saw that extra lumber on your posts, but did't realize they where intended to add structural rigidity to the gazebo. I've never seen this before and I'm not knowledgeable enough to understand how it will work. Seems to me that the rotation point is still at your deck and that your posts are going to want to sway back and forth from that point if they are not locked together with something like a railing. You don't have to go with metal. I did because it's a look that I felt was important for what I was doing. Most gazebo's rely on wood railings to lock their posts together. Or you can always go with digging your posts into the ground three feet or more and getting your rigidity that way without any posts. There will still be some movement depending on the posts, how you anchor them (concrete or compacted soil) and how high you go with your roof, but it does allow you to not have a railing at all.

 

[ovrszd]

The hardest part of building my "binzebo" was the railings. The most structural strength when building was gained with the railings.