Neat trick using loader as a box scraper!

[tydp]

I'm actually going to have to read my 300cx manual now. I've done this technique, be it good or bad, a few times without issue. I wonder if other non-green brands lack the strength of the green 300cx? After reading many threads, it seems some orange hydraulic cylinders can be bent way too easily.

Nice try but I think NOT.....

 

[tuolumne]

I would have never though to fill the bucket before grading with it. I've always done the tires off the ground maneuver which inhibits steering. Thanks!

 

[JerryG]

Im a little confused.. Can someone post pics of what not to do AND the proper way??

sorry to be so dense..

Brian

Here is a very simple picture of the right way and the wrong way.

 

[KubotaSteve]

I'm actually going to have to read my 300cx manual now. I've done this technique, be it good or bad, a few times without issue. I wonder if other non-green brands lack the strength of the green 300cx? After reading many threads, it seems some orange hydraulic cylinders can be bent way too easily.

It's sort of like using a screwdriver as a chisel except for a lot more expensive of a fix. It can be done even though you shouldn't do and when you do use the screwdriver, it doesn't break everytime but has the potential to everytime. As long as your willing to deal with the possible consequences, keep on doing it.
And finally I don't think it has to do with the color of the cylinders but the basic principles of the cylinders.

 

[RonMar]

It's sort of like using a screwdriver as a chisel except for a lot more expensive of a fix. It can be done even though you shouldn't do and when you do use the screwdriver, it doesn't break everytime but has the potential to everytime. As long as your willing to deal with the possible consequences, keep on doing it.
And finally I don't think it has to do with the color of the cylinders but the basic principles of the cylinders.

It is a leverage and column strength issue with the cylinders at full extension. That expensive green paint dosn't make the cylinders any stronger

 

[john_bud]

I'm actually going to have to read my 300cx manual now. I've done this technique, be it good or bad, a few times without issue. I wonder if other non-green brands lack the strength of the green 300cx? After reading many threads, it seems some orange hydraulic cylinders can be bent way too easily.

You're absolutely right! Not only can the amazing 300cx back drag with the bucket in full dump position, but it can bull doze going forward in the same position! You SHOULD do it every day as much as possible!







Arrgh! I can't do it. NO NO NO! even the amazing 300cx can bend the bucket cylinders like a pretzel. Hit a rock or a tough root and you will make a payment on the hydraulic repair guys summer house.

jb

 

[quickervicar]

You're absolutely right! Not only can the amazing 300cx back drag with the bucket in full dump position, but it can bull doze going forward in the same position! You SHOULD do it every day as much as possible!
Aargh! I can't do it. NO NO NO! even the amazing 300cx can bend the bucket cylinders like a pretzel. Hit a rock or a tough root and you will make a payment on the hydraulic repair guys summer house.

jb

Deere cylinders aren't that much better than the competitions'. You will be able to break them, just keep trying.

 

[Farwell]

I want to thank you guys for this thread. I had read that there was a position that was not recommended for the FEL bucket but didn't know what it was. I have done the back dragging the bad way too many times and have been very lucky so far. I won't be doing it that way any more. I try to learn something new every day but seldom learn something as valuable as the loader bucket position recommendations.

 

[Glowplug]

I'm actually going to have to read my 300cx manual now. I've done this technique, be it good or bad, a few times without issue. I wonder if other non-green brands lack the strength of the green 300cx? After reading many threads, it seems some orange hydraulic cylinders can be bent way too easily.

Maybe I should paint my "orange" cylinders green so that they would become indestructible! Then I could use my loader for bulldozing just like those nice green tractors.

MadDogDriver--Those are the EXACT same diagrams that are in my Kubota loader manual. They must be universal technique instructions and warnings. . .except for Deere of course.

 

[MadDogDriver]

--Those are the EXACT same diagrams that are in my Kubota loader manual. They must be universal technique instructions and warnings. . .except for Deere of course.

Yeah, maybe they were made in Japan (oops, but "assembled" in the US)

 

[AndyMA]

I'm actually going to have to read my 300cx manual now. I've done this technique, be it good or bad, a few times without issue. I wonder if other non-green brands lack the strength of the green 300cx? After reading many threads, it seems some orange hydraulic cylinders can be bent way too easily.

Please, orange cylinders and green ones are basically the same. It is the leverage that bends the cylinder rods. Green tractors are not any stronger than blue or orange ones. Just put the rods under an overload at a bad angle and bent it will be.

andy

 

[Singlecoil]

On bigger construction tractors, they have a "float" feature that helps keep the bucket level when back draging. This is a normal, every day job for a backhoe operator, but for some reason, compact tractor owners seem to not do this and rely on the box blade.

Eddie

I just had a Eureka moment reading that. I've got float on my loader on the BX24 and have used it only while going forward. That is going to make backfilling so much easier. Thanks. That and the full bucket tip as well.

 

[Glowplug]

I just had a Eureka moment reading that. I've got float on my loader on the BX24 and have used it only while going forward. That is going to make backfilling so much easier. Thanks. That and the full bucket tip as well.

Yeah, I've done that. Works great in the right conditions.

 

[ducati996]

Here is a very simple picture of the right way and the wrong way.

The correct way (jerry's diagram) makes for a smoother fill anyway....

 

[Nathan_OR]

Hey guys ease up, I'm sure DayDreamer just meant that perhaps the heavy duty (300cx as opposed to 300) loader was built strong enough to do this.

In any case it's very good to know that I shouldn't be doing that. But I'm going to post a photo of the way I *was* doing it, because it looks to me like it puts way less stress on the cylinders than your guy's "WRONG WAY" diagrams. Namely, I roll it *fully* upside down so that there isn't that kind of leverage against the cylinders. The force from just looking at it is on the joint pins, not the cylinders, because the angle is to small to give the bucket edge much leverage on the cylinders.

I'm *not* saying I'm going to keep doing this, only that the pictures you guys are showing don't show what I was doing, and they look a *lot* worse (to me) than what I was doing. Anyway I'm grading out my RC car track so I'll take some pictures and show you what I mean, just for the record.

Nathan

 

[JerryG]

Was it like this?

 

[gizmo]

In any case it's very good to know that I shouldn't be doing that. But I'm going to post a photo of the way I *was* doing it, because it looks to me like it puts way less stress on the cylinders than your guy's "WRONG WAY" diagrams. Namely, I roll it *fully* upside down so that there isn't that kind of leverage against the cylinders. The force from just looking at it is on the joint pins, not the cylinders, because the angle is to small to give the bucket edge much leverage on the cylinders.

Nathan

If you are dragging through something that is "cuttable" you are correct that the torque producing force applied to the bucket edge is at a very steep angle. However, a catch on a rock or root will reduce that applied angle to near perpendicular (max torque) and apply an explosive force to the cylinders which are now fully extended and most vulnerable to buckling. Don't do it.

 

[DayDreamer]

OK, I dusted off the operator's manual for the 300cx and found this. This seems consistent with what other brands are advising. It seems JD encourages using FLOAT which may have saved me from serious damage. Good forum for newbie’s like me. Thanks for everyone’s input.

I don't bleed green but I have a dream that someday all hydraulic cylinders will get along...

 

[mswlogo]

Oh crap, I'm so glad I read this thread before my new BX24 arrived. I've done it the "wrong way" on rentals many times.

 

[Texas Dodge]

I was doing it the wrong way as well and had one of my hydraulic lines start leaking. I tightened it back up and don't do it the wrong way anymore. I am looking at getting a 6' BB.