Need advice on my kioti

[K man]

Well, I tried to go up those hills again and this time tried some advice from you members.
As I was coming towards the first hill in H I stopped and dropped it into M with pedal fully pushed in and started to climb the hill and has it was starting to bog, I eased off on the pedal a bit and the revs came up and machine starting to climb with less hesitation and just kept on releasing or pressing the pedal till I hit the top.
Then I stopped and changed to H till I got to the next hill etc etc. I had to put the range into L on the steepest of the hills cause no matter what I did in M the machine just kept bogging. So now I have a better idea of how the HST works on hills.
Thanks all

 

[MossRoad]

Well, I tried to go up those hills again and this time tried some advice from you members.
As I was coming towards the first hill in H I stopped and dropped it into M with pedal fully pushed in and started to climb the hill and has it was starting to bog, I eased off on the pedal a bit and the revs came up and machine starting to climb with less hesitation and just kept on releasing or pressing the pedal till I hit the top.
Then I stopped and changed to H till I got to the next hill etc etc. I had to put the range into L on the steepest of the hills cause no matter what I did in M the machine just kept bogging. So now I have a better idea of how the HST works on hills.
Thanks all

Yeah, it's kind of counter-intuitive, that the directional pedals are not accelerator pedals like a car. To get more power to the rear wheels you let up on them and slow down, whereas a car, you stomp on the accelerator.

Glad you're getting if figured out. :thumbsup:

 

[k0ua]

Like mentioned before I have no problem working with the tractor. It just annoys me when going up hills I mean these hills are very steep and long. Unless someone is sitting in my seat at the time of going up hill then they would see what I mean. I don't think it is the tractor, the problem is the hills. I don't go down off my property very often but when I do it just irritates me of how slow it is at climbing. I have lots of patience just not use to HST power compared to gear drive.

Let me ask you this, if your tractor had an 8x2 gear transmission, and you were stopped at the bottom of a long uphill grade, which gear of the 8 available forward gears would you select to climb that hill.?

My tractor with loader installed, and loaded rear tires and my counterweight on the 3point weigh over 6000 lbs. It has about 35 horsepower. My pickup truck weighs about the same and has over 300 horsepower available. Which do you think will climb a steep grade from a dead stop faster?

Think a bit about the relationship of RPM, torque, and gearing of the two vehicles and their intended purpose.

 

[k0ua]

I will give you an idea of how high the hills are. One hill is 1 mile long and I am going from flat ground to 1300 feet to the top. 2nd hill is 1/4 of a mile going from flat to about 500 feet and there are a few not so high in between. Now if you can find a hill around your area that is close to the same height and distance then you tell me how your machine performs as I am curious.

I have some very steep hills here on the roads in Branson, and my (heavy) tractor with HST will not climb them in High range very well. I have to go to Med range, and even them back off of the HST pedal to keep the RPM's up on the engine. I don't road the tractor very often, and on more gentle slopes or flatter ground, the tractor fully loaded will run fine in High range and the speeds shown in the manual. But when climbing steep hills, High range is not the way to attack them.

 

[Rock Crawler]

Well, I tried to go up those hills again and this time tried some advice from you members.
As I was coming towards the first hill in H I stopped and dropped it into M with pedal fully pushed in and started to climb the hill and has it was starting to bog, I eased off on the pedal a bit and the revs came up and machine starting to climb with less hesitation and just kept on releasing or pressing the pedal till I hit the top.
Then I stopped and changed to H till I got to the next hill etc etc. I had to put the range into L on the steepest of the hills cause no matter what I did in M the machine just kept bogging. So now I have a better idea of how the HST works on hills.
Thanks all

What you just described above is exactly what I do with my H/M/L HST B2650. If it is more than a slight slope up on a paved road, I will drop into mid range. Sure I could back way off of the HST, but it whines loudly and I can imagine the heat being generated from the HST slip/bypass in that condition. So instead of slipping the heck out of the HST system, I drop to mid and push up the hill, then stop and go back to high range to push the level or near level areas.

It sounds like your machine is acting as expected and you now understand the limitations of the high range. It is in no way, shape or form a gear range for doing any work aside from moving the machine across relatively smooth level ground.

 

[ning]

1300 feet up in 1 mile is a 4:1 incline. For every 4' forward you are going 1' up.

A 1:1 slope is 45 degrees, and 100% grade.
A 2:1 slope is 22.5 degrees, and a 50% grade.
A 4:1 slope is 11.25 degrees, and a 25% grade.

That is a very steep angle and grade to try to go up in high range and hold speed.

One thing I didn't see you write was what you are doing with the throttle. Several people asked if you have it at full throttle or not, but I did not see the answer.

1:1 slope = 100% grade = 45 degrees
1:2 slope = 50% grade = 26.5 degrees (arctan(0.5))
1:4 slope = 25% grade = 14 degrees (arctan(0.25))

Grade = rise/run
Angle = arctan(grade)

 

[MossRoad]

1:1 slope = 100% grade = 45 degrees
1:2 slope = 50% grade = 26.5 degrees (arctan(0.5))
1:4 slope = 25% grade = 14 degrees (arctan(0.25))

Grade = rise/run
Angle = arctan(grade)

I should have consulted the old math there, eh? hahahaha

Or used the convenient chart.



That's why I don't like using grade for describing an angle.

 

[MossRoad]

This is the one I don't care for in Pittsburg.... Canton Ave.

20 degrees and 37% grade.



Canton Avenue - Wikipedia

 

[k0ua]

This is the one I don't care for in Pittsburg.... Canton Ave.

20 degrees and 37% grade.

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Canton Avenue - Wikipedia

We have a lot of them around here that are steeper. This is one thing I hate about this area.

 

[MossRoad]

We have a lot of them around here that are steeper. This is one thing I hate about this area.

My wife and I were down there last week. We drove from here to Hannibal, MO, then down to Mark Twain State Park, Columbia, Rock Bridge State Park, Osage Beach, Lake of the Ozarks State Park, Ha Ha Tonka State Park, Bennet Spring State Park, Branson, MO, Table Rock State Park, Eureka Springs, AR, Bentonvill, AR, Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art, 4 casinos in Oklahoma, back to Branson for the night, then over to Cape Girardo, IL, another casino, Trail of Tears State Park, down to Cairo, IL to see the Ohio dump into the Mississippi, and back home.....

Yes, you do have steep roads down there! :laughing:

 

[k0ua]

Yes, you do have steep roads down there!

And a few dangerous one too. The road from Branson to Forsyth (county seat town). Is not a lot of fun in dry times. Let alone when wet or icy.

 

[MossRoad]

And a few dangerous one too. The road from Branson to Forsyth (county seat town). Is not a lot of fun in dry times. Let alone when wet or icy.

We took 76 to 160, then east to Poplar Bluff. My arms, legs and stomach hurt after that drive. Windy, twisty road. We were following two Mazda Miata's that were going anywhere from 40-70 and getting tired of it. A motorcycle was following us. We came around a sharp right-hand curve, and some old bag was mowing her lawn on her riding mower, and blew all of her very thick clippings into the road, covering the entire lane. First Miata slid a bit. Second one slid, too. I hit my horn and gave her the one finger salute as I slid a bit. Looked in my mirror and the bike slipped too. He held on, though. YIKES!

 

[k0ua]

We took 76 to 160, then east to Poplar Bluff. My arms, legs and stomach hurt after that drive. Windy, twisty road. We were following two Mazda Miata's that were going anywhere from 40-70 and getting tired of it. A motorcycle was following us. We came around a sharp right-hand curve, and some old bag was mowing her lawn on her riding mower, and blew all of her very thick clippings into the road, covering the entire lane. First Miata slid a bit. Second one slid, too. I hit my horn and gave her the one finger salute as I slid a bit. Looked in my mirror and the bike slipped too. He held on, though. YIKES!

Yep, 76 sucks. and Hwy F from 65 to Forsyth, REALLY sucks. You missed that one, and be glad you did.

Yes some people have zero brains about blowing grass clippings or gravel out at the passing cars.

 

[MossRoad]

The first 400 miles we drove, our 2013 Impala averaged 63mph @ 32mpg! That was less than 1 tank of gas. I was very happy. Overall, we drove 2020 miles, averaged 42mph and 29 mpg.

And we walked about 43 miles in the state parks. I averaged about 4mph and a liter of water per hour.

Kinda neat that once you hit the Ozarks, just BAM! No crops. Just grasslands. On the way home going across the boot heal of Missouri and BAM! crops again. Cotton and rice. Didn't know they grew that down there.

We saw a lot of older used tractors on our trip. Not too many newer ones. And a lot of dead ones in grass fields that looked like they've been there a while.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

We took 76 to 160, then east to Poplar Bluff. My arms, legs and stomach hurt after that drive. Windy, twisty road. We were following two Mazda Miata's that were going anywhere from 40-70 and getting tired of it. A motorcycle was following us. We came around a sharp right-hand curve, and some old bag was mowing her lawn on her riding mower, and blew all of her very thick clippings into the road, covering the entire lane. First Miata slid a bit. Second one slid, too. I hit my horn and gave her the one finger salute as I slid a bit. Looked in my mirror and the bike slipped too. He held on, though. YIKES!

I HATE when people mow their grass on the road. A few near me do it. Not only is wet grass on a road dangerous, it just looks bad.

 

[CMV]

I HATE when people mow their grass on the road. A few near me do it. Not only is wet grass on a road dangerous, it just looks bad.

Yep - should be illegal (or if it is, should be enforced). Have a 2-lane, 50mph road that's very busy on my way to work. People on both sides with large tracts mowing with ZTR or MMM and discharging toward the road. So for a convenient mowing pattern or a few less clumps in their grass risking every 2 wheel vehicle's safety and slinging pebbles at passing vehicles. I would imagine if I stood at the edge of the road and threw rocks at their vehicles they'd be upset with me....

 

[Rock Crawler]

I stop as cars go past. I'm not that rude.

As to the folks on motorcycles.... make your choices. Dirt, sand, gravel, grass.... these are normally occurring contaminants on travel surfaces that one should expect when deciding to ride. Learn to ride on sand, gravel, grass and/or dirt. Or don't. Ride at speeds that allow you to ride on these less desirable surfaces with little to no danger.

I started riding in 1976. I fully earned the right to feel that a rider is responsible for himself or herself. I also feel that most riders for the most part suck and deserve to slide down a road. Most of my buddies who ride love the twisties. They love to dive into corners and feel the tires bite in, they love it. They want to push the bike in hard and feel that machine rip. And when they go down, they get damaged. Bones shatter, tendons rip, tangential fractures happen. I never have compassion for them. Choices. We all make them. If they push into a turn and encounter grass and wipe out.... that was a choice to assume that you would maintain that level of adhesion from beginning to end of a turn. Often you do. Not always.

 

[MossRoad]

You're joking, right?

 

[K man]

I HATE when people mow their grass on the road. A few near me do it. Not only is wet grass on a road dangerous, it just looks bad.

Can't understand why people blow their grass onto the roads. When I mow I always blow the trimmings back onto the lawn it is good natural fertilizer. People always ask me how I keep my grass so nice and green well I never pick up the trimmings I let them rot and feed my lawn. Just saying.

 

[GirlWhoWantsTractor]

No way I'm driving anything on that Canton road!