need more lifting power on loader

[dieselbeef]

i know its a shakey topic but i need a tiny bit more to lift a roundbale with my 1250..1240? dangit whichever..

anyways i was wanting to shim the relief valve maybe since it will lift a roundbale but not high enough to stack em at least 2 high.

if i cant get this to work im gonna sell the tractor cuz it wont do the job. just bought it..when i was looking at it i tried lifting some bales they had there but obviously mine are much heavier.

ive had it all summer and its been good at everything else so i am happy with it but i need a bit more press to get the loader to lift a bit more wieght. either way im selling it cuz its obviously not big enough..back to kubotas i guess

gary

 

[rjmack]

i know its a shakey topic

got that right.

you couldn't be bothered figuring out what your bales weighed and then getting a machine with the loader capacity to lift them, so now it's the machine's fault?

i have a gc2410, i doubt that it will lift round bales either... maybe i should trade it for a kubota?

 

[dieselbeef]

hey man..no need to be a jackass.
i had a bunch of bales i moved around last summer when i bought it. it wasnt like i didnt know i was gonna be moving hay. it lifted the rolls i had last yr fine. i was actually impressed how it lifted em. the hay this yr is a bigger roll and i guess alot greener and tighter.
cant control the guy whos doing the baling.i get the hay as part of a deal to background a bunch of calfs for a guy so i gotta take what i get.
i was surprised it wouldnt lft em actually. the loader seemed plenty strong

just wondering how to get by thru the winter now w/o goin crazy buying a new rig

thanks fer nothin dude.:thumbsup:

 

[dex3361]

i know its a shakey topic but i need a tiny bit more to lift a roundbale with my 1250..1240? dangit whichever..

anyways i was wanting to shim the relief valve maybe since it will lift a roundbale but not high enough to stack em at least 2 high.

if i cant get this to work im gonna sell the tractor cuz it wont do the job. just bought it..when i was looking at it i tried lifting some bales they had there but obviously mine are much heavier.

ive had it all summer and its been good at everything else so i am happy with it but i need a bit more press to get the loader to lift a bit more wieght. either way im selling it cuz its obviously not big enough..back to kubotas i guess

gary

The most I would do is check and see if the hydraulic pressure was at spec by pulling one of your FEL quick connect hoses loose and installing a pressure gauge. If you find the pressure is low then adjust it up to spec.:thumbsup:

 

[oldnslo]

i know its a shakey topic but i need a tiny bit more to lift a roundbale with my 1250..1240? dangit whichever..

anyways i was wanting to shim the relief valve maybe since it will lift a roundbale but not high enough to stack em at least 2 high.

if i cant get this to work im gonna sell the tractor cuz it wont do the job. just bought it..when i was looking at it i tried lifting some bales they had there but obviously mine are much heavier.

ive had it all summer and its been good at everything else so i am happy with it but i need a bit more press to get the loader to lift a bit more wieght. either way im selling it cuz its obviously not big enough..back to kubotas i guess

gary

Simple answer is yes shimming or adjusting the relief will give you more lift. Like Dex said, make sure it is to spec and in your case probably the upper limit of spec.

i would guess most of us have wished for more lift, more power, etc at some point and time.

Good luck

 

[Yandaddy1110]

I know its a shakey topic on this board but would you consider using a 3 point forklift mast for your heavier bales? Safer way to lift an occational heavy bale. Your 1240 has alot more lifting potential other than on the front tips of your fel. Wont get you any bragging rights on a bar stool, wont get on the cover of TBN magazine, not as sexy as a big orange fel and all the ladies that come with it, a forklift mast on your smaller tractor may have the same lifting capacity of sumthin big and orange.

 

[rjmack]

just wondering how to get by thru the winter now w/o goin crazy buying a new rig

somehow, i doubt anything anyone says will stop you.

far as being a jackass... i bought a tractor that meets my requirements... i don't need another one.:laughing:

and btw, you're welcome.

 

[svcguy]

I would test pump pressure and ensure the pump output is to spec as suggested. If the pressure relief doesn't address it, (epending on the hours) reduced pump pressures can often be addressed by shaving the pump. If on removing the pump end cap you see it scored by the pump gears, it often does a world of good to shave the pump ends if the body isn't scored badly.

 

[MF RED in MT]

cant control the guy whos doing the baling.

What I hear you are saying is you do not know what size of a red tractor you might need, ? I have heard of a rumor for a simple quick fix using just a few cans of orange spray paint that works similar to spinach for Popeye, :thumbsup:. Good luck in your search for a solution, KC.

 

[dieselbeef]

dam you guys are stiff man.

yeah i know. but really these have got to be the heaviest bales ive ever got. theyre so tight ya cant even pull the middles out of em. great green hay...killin my tractor.

the kubota comment was only meant as a dig cuz i have one of those also..a bx2200 that kicks *** but is a bit small for the real cattle work. but man i love that little mach with a fel and mid mower..it rocks

could someone please help me with the location of the relief so to give me abit of a head start. like i say it will lift them just wont tilt them and not quite high enough to dbl stack them. right now the hay is taking up alotta floor space i the barn.

i thought of the 3 pt hitch but i still couldnt stack em. itll lift em bout 2-3 t ft high with the fel.

as for buying a new one..i really dont wanna. kubota and deere are the only dlrs here in central fl close by so its the logical choices for support and parts..but both of em ehere are very proud ..ga dlrs are much cheaper by the looks of tractor house ads

thanks for the input...now about locating that relief vale....

gary

 

[Turbys_1700]

All you can do is raise the pressure on the relief valve...
Just don't overload your front axle...
I don't know what it's capacity is...
I've got a feeling that if the bales are really tight you may not be able to lift them even after adjusting your pressure...
You may need to bite the bullet and get a 3 pt rear fork for those heavier bales...
I know that it is not the best solution but you may have to do it to just get by this year...

 

[J_J]

As far as pressure goes, Unless you put a hyd gage on it you won't know.

First you have to know the pumps max limits operating pressure.

Push or pull the cyl to max and read the pressure.

If the pump pressure is low, then shim it or adjust the relief pressure to about 50 to 100 psi below the pumps max pressure.

I would recommend installing a hyd gage in a tee at the IN port on the FEL valve. Then you can monitor, adjust, and know what the hyd system is doing.

You could also have a weak pump, leaking cyl seals, leaking valve, dirt in relief valve, etc. A 3000 psi hyd gage will help you solve most of your hyd problems.

The gage alone should cost about $12 to $20.

 

[dieselbeef]

yep. i know. we had planned on an upgrade evry 2 yrs to get what we need. next yr might be the next upgrade instead of the yr after. for sure dont wanna damage the rest of the unit. still gotta be able to steer it. i think i need maybe a cpl hundred lbs is all...its right there..just need 2 more feet:thumbsup:

i guess a 3 pt aint a bad idea...

 

[dieselbeef]

As far as pressure goes, Unless you put a hyd gage on it you won't know.

First you have to know the pumps max limits operating pressure.

Push or pull the cyl to max and read the pressure.

If the pump pressure is low, then shim it or adjust the relief pressure to about 50 to 100 psi below the pumps max pressure.

I would recommend installing a hyd gage in a tee at the IN port on the FEL valve. Then you can monitor, adjust, and know what the hyd system is doing.

You could also have a weak pump, leaking cyl seals, leaking valve, dirt in relief valve, etc. A 3000 psi hyd gage will help you solve most of your hyd problems.

The gage alone should cost about $12 to $15.

10-4..good idea there. ive got a guage and fittings to pipe it in permanently actually. ill do that.

where can i get the pump info? off the pump or is it internal. i havent looked yet at the tractor. doin a bit of homework first. i dont wanna tear it up or kill myself rolling it over or something..
i know this isnt the thing to do but im just needing to get by in a pinch for a cpl months

thanks guys

 

[MFRED]

What loader do you have on your machone the MF 1246 or an aftermarket?

Be sure to add ballast to the rear of the tractor if you haven't already. It's gonna be real tippy with those heavy bales.

Memory tells me 2300psi pump pressure. You should check after the loader valve & before to see if it's the loader valve relief or the tractor pump relief.

 

[dieselbeef]

as a matter of fact its an smc loader.

 

[blueriver]

Gary ... are you using a spear mounted in the bucket or a QA spear? Just asking cause if your using one mounted to the bucket you will loose a bit of lift.

 

[dieselbeef]

it is the bucket mt'd one. i think the loss is the distance from the pivot. i may try to adapt it to the 3 pt but then ill need to take the bushhog off and thats my rear ballast for the fel...

i guess its jsut too dang small for what i need really and i cant afford a bigger machine right now

and to top it off the feral hogs are destroying my pasture which means ill be using more hay than ever'
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gary

 

[J_J]

Someone said this on another forum about the BX-2200.

[ The BX hydraulic system pressure it set too low (1850 psi), it should be at least 2000 psi which would give the loader more power(it could also use larger lift cylinders. ]

The specs say your breakout force is only 950 lbs.

 

[texasjohn]

are using a spear on front of bucket andyou say you are almost there in lift capability

I guarantee that if you drop the bucket which is several hundred lbs and use a quick attached spear which moves the bale at least a foot closer to the pivot point, then you will solve your problem, become happier with the tractor...at less cost than a hydraulic rear three point bale lift. Give it a try