LBrown59
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Neighbor removed my property line pin
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sdkubota
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Normally property pins are placed 2 or 3 inches below the surrounding grade. If there is a phone service line where the pin was then that probably was the problem. If there isn't any phone, CA TV or gas near the pin location...someone pulled it. Could it have just been buried and still there?
dodge man
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Every state has standards saying what a corner pin must be. Some require caps, some require tags. In Illlinois cap or tags aren't required. It also varies by the surveyor on the pins being left sticking up, buried or set flush. If its a place where people mow or it creates a trip hazard, I set them flush. If the pin falls in a fence line or some other place that a metal detector wouldn't work, I leave it sticking up several inches.
I never had a problem with a land owner setting concrete around my pins.
Yes our surveying equipment can measure in very exact manner, but the truth is, except in a very urban setting, a 1/4 of an inch isn't going to make a lot of difference.
I never had a problem with a land owner setting concrete around my pins.
Yes our surveying equipment can measure in very exact manner, but the truth is, except in a very urban setting, a 1/4 of an inch isn't going to make a lot of difference.
sweettractors
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Dave, do you have any idea why new surveys of farms usually come in under the acreage of the old surveys (made 50 yrs ago)? I bought a farm at public auction a few years ago advertised and sold to be 85 acres and the new survey came in at 65 acres. Ken Sweet
Its a small town rural location, 30 acre subdivision with a handful of residential homes surrounded by farmland. I agree with the tranquility which is why I made amends with this neighbor over what amounted to something very childish. Nothing worse than living the american dream with problem neighbors,,,btdt once upon a time
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My girlfriend just bought a new house. It was advertised as 38 acres, property was listed with the county as 38 acres, all 38 acres were taxed as well. When they did the paperwork to close the deal they found a problem and in fact the property is actually only 35 acres. Somehow a long time ago someone made a mistake and that mistake added 3 acres to the property that never existed.
Robert_in_NY
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We have been able to get along with most of our neighbors (we have a lot of them when you factor in all the different parcels). Some we don't care for but we just avoid those ones. The one thing that has worked well for us is that we treat our neighbors the way we want treated. If someone tries to take advantage of us or does something that we do not approve of then they lose the rights to access our land for any reason. They can do what they please to their property but we expect our neighbors to be respectful to us just as we are to them. I have a lot of great neighbors though, the type who will pull you out when your stuck or who wash your tractor after they borrow it (I like that neighbor) but then I also have one neighbor who I dislike a lot and actually have had that property line surveyed and is now posted heavy down their property line. Another neighbor doesn't take care of their garbage and let it blow across the road onto ours so every wind storm makes more work for me. Spring time I usually can fill 5-6 30 gallon garbage cans just from the garbage that blows across during the late-fall/winter time. But I am just thankful for all my other neighbors as their all friendly and look after our property for us when were not around. Even the neighbor whose garbage blows onto our property is friendly and looks after our property (just wish they would take care of the garbage).
greasemonkeyok
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Maybe Dodge Man can verify this, but consider surveying equipment even 50 years ago. The acreage is supposed to be calculated on the basis of a flat-level plane (at sea level?). Due to hills and slopes, the actual surface area on the ground may "contain" more acres than the area of the flat-level plane at sea level. If you measure and calculate based on tape-measure distances, your calculated acreage will be more than the acreage calculated on the flat-level plane.
But then I'm sure this doesn't account for all of the differences.
In NC it is a crime to mess with a marker. The problem is you have no proof on who moved the marker so there is nobody to charge.
I would talk to a lawyer about the utilities on your property. We have talked to many lawyers over the years for advice and never paid a cent. We asked to pay but they would not bill for the few minutes of time we used. I am guessing a half dozen lawyers have not charged us. Their opinion was certainly worth us paying but they would not send a bill. :confused3: The utilities on your land with out an easement would bother me.
What is to be gained by talking to the neighbor? If you have not read MDBARB's long running discussion with his easement dispute, a case he lost in court which cost him a bunch of money, I would encourage you to at least skim that discussion and tread lightly with the neighbor.
I might have the surveyor replace the pin but do you need to know the exact line at the moment? I would hem and haw on this one especially if I had to spend money to replace the pin. I put T posts near some of our corner markers. Someone stole the T Posts.When I have time, I will go back and put in rebar in the ground and set some wood posts. The pins are still in place but someone wanted the T posts.
Later,
Dan
Since I didn't actually witness this neighbor removing the pin I agree I have no proof. However late last winter he was working in that area and I heard the racket from his digging...rocky soil. The trees hid his actions and honestly I gave no thought to it. His property and he's free to do as he feels just like I am with mine. Had I known at the time what he was doing I would have paid him a visit. I didn't notice the missing pin or the underground service riser until a month or so later while weed eating around the trees. I maintain both sides of the entire 900' hedge. I do this in the interest of keeping the weeds/grass from invading the hedge so I'm of the mindset to keep the peace and harmony. He could easily tell me to stay off his property I imagine.
I read MDBARB's thread in the past with great interest as well as several others. In fact a recent new thread about a new home build gave me cause to post my question. Since the trees clearly establish the property line now, I don't believe I'll have any problem with him or any future owners. We are on talking terms and chatted briefly during the time I was trimming these trees. I was tempted to say something a couple times but decided otherwise for the sake of peace and harmony. For whatever reason my gut says he might turn the discussion into a hostile one...something I'd rather avoid. One of several reasons is the possibility he could/would damage or kill the trees...I could be wrong but I wouldn't put it past him based on his previous actions. The state police have been involved in the past and have paid him a visit. I'll explain more of that later when I can