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[Slowpoke Slim]

I might of missed it, but did the stats you provide give the population of the breed owned? My first though is the "pit" being the breed of choice is the most popular pet for aggressive dogs, so it goes without saying the stats would be higher with that breed.

I know when I tried to find homes for some at pet shops, everyone was interested in the pit and asked if it was good for protection (first strike and the we stopped talking to them after that).

The added variable is also how the breed was determined to begin with. I've seen numerous articles where the dog was listed as a "pit", but after seeing the picture of the dog in question, I don't know how they called it a "pit" when I couldn't even see a portion of terrier in the "breed".

You fond of labs, huh?

Boy, 4, killed by family Labrador in horror attack | News24

Was it really a lab? I have no clue. Part of my point.

Is this really a golden lab?

Dog killed 2-month-old baby, ripped child痴 legs off while father slept in other room: police - NY Daily News

This.

This right here.

You think pits do the most killing because they're the most popular dog. Couldn't be farther from the truth. They are #79 in popularity, but attack more people than all the rest of the dog breeds combined (like 3 times more). Try to spin that any way you want. We 'aint buying. This has nothing to do with "facts" for you. You are on a CRUSADE.

Nice try trying to put a gun/anti-gun spin on it. Desperate are you?

I get it. You have one. Great. You love your dog. Great. None of that changes the FACTS that these dogs are killers.

But don't let that keep you from preachin' on. Just don't expect any of us to buy into it.

 

[Sigarms]

This.

This right here.

You think pits do the most killing because they're the most popular dog. Couldn't be farther from the truth. They are #79 in popularity, but attack more people than all the rest of the dog breeds combined (like 3 times more). Try to spin that any way you want. We 'aint buying. This has nothing to do with "facts" for you. You are on a CRUSADE.

Nice try trying to put a gun/anti-gun spin on it. Desperate are you?

I get it. You have one. Great. You love your dog. Great. None of that changes the FACTS that these dogs are killers.

But don't let that keep you from preachin' on. Just don't expect any of us to buy into it.

Ok, let's take pits out of the hands of owners.

What breed next?

I would respectfully argue that if you want to outlaw one "dangerous breed", you outlaw at least the top 10. Why wouldn't you?

I do find it amusing that one dog breed that I'm more afraid of than a pit is an Akita. Yet not one mention on how agressive or what kind of damage a Akita can do. That said, do I believe people should own Akita's? Yes, just like "pits" or any other breed.

I would also wonder exactly how "breed" statisitics are gathered and who is doing the gathering. Anyone who is pro or anti gun knows exactly how statistics can be used. Do you want stats on why American's think AR15's should be outlawed?

Personally, I'd be a little leary if any stats are given by the AKC myself. AKC is a lot like the NCAA IMO. Money runs everything...

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Ok, let's take pits out of the hands of owners.

What breed next?

I would respectfully argue that if you want to outlaw one "dangerous breed", you outlaw at least the top 10. Why wouldn't you?

I do find it amusing that one dog breed that I'm more afraid of than a pit is an Akita. Yet not one mention on how agressive or what kind of damage a Akita can do. That said, do I believe people should own Akita's? Yes, just like "pits" or any other breed.

I would also wonder exactly how "breed" statisitics are gathered and who is doing the gathering. Anyone who is pro or anti gun knows exactly how statistics can be used. Do you want stats on why American's think AR15's should be outlawed?

Personally, I'd be a little leary if any stats are given by the AKC myself. AKC is a lot like the NCAA IMO. Money runs everything...

No where, not one sentence, did I say anything about outlawing or "taking them away".

Again, with the attempt to tie this to gun/anti-gun rhetoric.

Hyperbole much?

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I wish they'd be outlawed. Then people who make poor choices and don't carry insurance will have 1 less way to hurt the general public. We'd have what makes up the vast majority of major attacks/killings done away with.

The dog pounds who are for "No kill" and give out these dogs, should be held ultimately responsible if they end up attacking someone. There is a known issue. All too frequently it happens. It could easily be dispersed.

FWIW, I was at the park, waiting for some friends to play some softball. I was not packing a gun. I had my golden with me, on his leash. The 2 pits saw my golden, jumped out of their owner's truck bed, and came flying across the field. I let the leash go, got in front of my dog, and was prepared to crush some pit skulls if need be. I started yelling at the top of my lungs, as was the owner trying to call them back, and for some reason, they didn't want to tangle with me and my bat. They stopped about 10 yards short. The bat was cocked. I know I could have killed at least one on the run in, and I was going to kill the 2nd one as it grabbed my dog. Hopefully in just seconds. At least that was my plan. A softball bat can be a good tool to have. And I would have gladly used it.

Yes, pits have a stereotype, and deservedly so.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

I wish they'd be outlawed. Then people who make poor choices and don't carry insurance will have 1 less way to hurt the general public. We'd have what makes up the vast majority of major attacks/killings done away with.

The dog pounds who are for "No kill" and give out these dogs, should be held ultimately responsible if they end up attacking someone. There is a known issue. All too frequently it happens. It could easily be dispersed.

FWIW, I was at the park, waiting for some friends to play some softball. I was not packing a gun. I had my golden with me, on his leash. The 2 pits saw my golden, jumped out of their owner's truck bed, and came flying across the field. I let the leash go, got in front of my dog, and was prepared to crush some pit skulls if need be. I started yelling at the top of my lungs, as was the owner trying to call them back, and for some reason, they didn't want to tangle with me and my bat. They stopped about 10 yards short. The bat was cocked. I know I could have killed at least one on the run in, and I was going to kill the 2nd one as it grabbed my dog. Hopefully in just seconds. At least that was my plan. A softball bat can be a good tool to have. And I would have gladly used it.

Yes, pits have a stereotype, and deservedly so.

WOW... that's a whole new "Stand Your Ground" story... Glad no one got hurt.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

WOW... that's a whole new "Stand Your Ground" story... Glad no one got hurt.

Me too brother. Me too. Pretty sure if I had to do what I didn't want to have to do, I'd have had to deal with the owner too.

 

[GirlWhoWantsTractor]

This is the last time, but did you major in Logical Fallacies? because you're good at them

Ok, let's take pits out of the hands of owners.

False Dichotomy: We only have two choices; widespread unregulated pit ownership or "seize all pit bulls."

What breed next?

Slippery Slope: If we take steps to reduce or regulate pit ownership, your toy poodle is next!

I would respectfully argue that if you want to outlaw one "dangerous breed", you outlaw at least the top 10. Why wouldn't you?

More Slippery Slope with a dash of Straw Man and Reductio ad Absurdum et al.: Why wouldn't you? Um, maybe because outlawing just the #1 most dangerous breed would reduce attacks by 70%, providing maximum results with minimum consequences, i.e., letting the vast majority of people keep their dogs. Not that I'm advocating outlawing anything.

I do find it amusing that one dog breed that I'm more afraid of than a pit is an Akita. Yet not one mention on how agressive or what kind of damage a Akita can do. That said, do I believe people should own Akita's? Yes, just like "pits" or any other breed.

Would be an Argument from Authority except you're not one. I guess now you're proposing that laws and regulations should be based on people's personal beliefs or fears, instead of facts. Also a dash of Non Sequitur: Because you personally don't mind people owning dangerous dogs, no one should mind.

I would also wonder exactly how "breed" statisitics are gathered and who is doing the gathering. Anyone who is pro or anti gun knows exactly how statistics can be used. Do you want stats on why American's think AR15's should be outlawed?

And when all else fails, Conspiracy Theory. And NO ONE here is talking about guns.

Personally, I'd be a little leary if any stats are given by the AKC myself. AKC is a lot like the NCAA IMO. Money runs everything...

Annnnd, more conspiracy.

Read the darn article, then come back here and argue, if you must.

 

[GirlWhoWantsTractor]

I wish they'd be outlawed. Then people who make poor choices and don't carry insurance will have 1 less way to hurt the general public. We'd have what makes up the vast majority of major attacks/killings done away with.

The dog pounds who are for "No kill" and give out these dogs, should be held ultimately responsible if they end up attacking someone. There is a known issue. All too frequently it happens. It could easily be dispersed.

FWIW, I was at the park, waiting for some friends to play some softball. I was not packing a gun. I had my golden with me, on his leash. The 2 pits saw my golden, jumped out of their owner's truck bed, and came flying across the field. I let the leash go, got in front of my dog, and was prepared to crush some pit skulls if need be. I started yelling at the top of my lungs, as was the owner trying to call them back, and for some reason, they didn't want to tangle with me and my bat. They stopped about 10 yards short. The bat was cocked. I know I could have killed at least one on the run in, and I was going to kill the 2nd one as it grabbed my dog. Hopefully in just seconds. At least that was my plan. A softball bat can be a good tool to have. And I would have gladly used it.

Yes, pits have a stereotype, and deservedly so.

Yep, if you read the accounts of attacks, quite often the dog had been fairly recently adopted from a shelter. I agree shelters should bear some responsibility. There seems to be a kind of sick fantasy along the lines of: "I'm going to take this killer and with my unique skill and understanding, turn it into a 'love bug.'" (And then adopt it out to an unsuspecting family.)

Thoughts on your story: A high percentage of fatalities result when there is more than one attacking dog (pack behavior possibly). A common theme is that the pit(s) attack a dog, the owner tries to defend or save their dog, and the pit turns on the person and kills them. So you were really in quite a bit of trouble there.

You are a brave and quick-thinking man. Letting go of the leash was quick thinking--most people would instinctively keep the dog close or even pick it up. You gave your dog at least a chance to get away and it freed you up to fight more effectively. And you had your game-plan. If you could have cracked it good on the side of the head, maybe it would have helped. Thing is, with pits, once they start they don't stop. People have beaten them with pipes and even hammers. They don't stop. Probably your aggressive stance and behavior helped though. Your adrenaline must have been through the roof. So glad both you and your dog were okay.

 

[Sigarms]

Annnnd, more conspiracy.

If you don't think that money isn't running the NCAA and AKC it is you who are living in a dream world.

Read the article.

I can only speak from personal experience.

ANY dog can be a threat, there are a whole wide range of factors.

Ok, if you aren't talking about taking dogs away, exactly how do you propose we get "pit bulls" off the streets?

 

[Sigarms]

Thing is, with pits, once they start they don't stop.

There is a personal story given here about a pit attack (not by me) that contradicts your statement. Go figure huh?