Neighbor's dobermans on my land, protecting "their" property ...??

[Travelover]

I live in a rural / suburban area. I've been attacked by and pepper sprayed a lot of dogs. The owners get really mad, even though they generally do nothing while the attack is taking place. It really doesn't hurt the dogs - they don't yelp, but rather turn away and paw their face. After a few minutes, their tears flush their eyes out. They remember, too, and don't go after you a second time.

You need to keep it handy because when you need it, you have a few seconds to have it ready. I use Halt brand, which the post office also uses. Another alternative is a hickory shovel handle, sold as a replacement. Most dogs turn tail when they see that and it can be deadly, if necessary.

 

[blueriver]

I myself have no dogs & just really have no desire whatsoever to carry dog treats around :confused3:

It's very cut-&-dry to me: I'd like us to be friendly neighbors, but you need to keep your dog off my property. Especially since my friends have kids who also won't have dog treats to hopefully keep themselves intact.

And, also since someday soon I'll have farm animals, possibly goats ... I know I'll need to improve that 4-wire barbed fence for them ... but goats would probably actually be a dog treat.

Some folks think more of their dogs then their kids ... this is a very delicate situation and needs to be handled very carefully.

Again TALK TO THE OWNERS with an open mind, share your concerns and listen to theirs ... the only thing worse than these dogs are mad neighbors.

 

[blueriver]

beppinton ... I guess I hit a "quote" button ... my response really doesn't refer to your post !!

 

[whistlepig]

Our Dobermans are totally controlled. They are always inside a fence. If they are taken outside of the fence they are wearing a shock collar. In the 40 years of owning Dobermans we have never had anyone bitten. Some have had the crap scared out of them but never bitten. It is because we are responsible big dog owners. So if a tree limb falls on my fence and my dogs get loose please don't shoot them. Tell me and I'll come get the dogs and fix the fence.

 

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[johnrex62]

I know that my dogs do a lot of things without asking my permission and I feel that if they get pepper sprayed for scaring someone it is their own fault. I would feel differently if they were on a leash I was holding at the time, but if they are off property without me along they are on their own.

I am not saying I would be dismissive if someone was deliberately abusing my animals while they were out of bounds, but a reason response such as pepper spray is totally reasonable even if I know my dog won't bite.

I feel that if a dog is off control, it is beyond the owner's right to be offended by any disciplinary action it might be subjected to. If the dog is killed, there is some justification that must be demonstrated that the killing was necessary, but I don't think the owner has a leg to stand on if they were not in control of their animal and the action can be defended by circumstances.

I love my dogs and would feel terrible if they were killed for any reason, but I am aware of my responsibilities to control them and protect them from harm through that control. I also recognize that they do not understand this and will escape my protection from time to time and I have to accept that there is the possibility they will not come home when they do this. I think that any owner that does not accept their responsibility for this potential scenario is simply being irresponsible. Sure you do your best and they still get out, but you cannot shift the burden of care of your dog to someone else because dogs will be dogs. I don't allow a three year old with a baseball bat to go into a glass shop and expect to be exempt from any damage they cause or incur simply because they are too young to know better. If they get hurt it is my fault, not the shop owner's or the kid's. If my dogs get pepper sprayed or worse it is my fault and not the dog's or their "attacker's".

 

[JakeBrake]

A four strand barb wire fence will not even slow down ANY self-respecting dog.

Also, I don't understand the invisible fence thing. I know it's supposed to keep your dogs IN, but how does it keep other dogs OUT?

When we raised purebred dogs we used a 3 fence system:
1. Individual fenced runs for one or two dogs.
2. An excercise pen that surrrounded the individual runs. The dogs could be released from the individual runs into the surrounding exercise pen.
3. A dog tight perimeter fence around the entire property. When we were there, we released the dogs (except bitches in season) into the main yard. At night all the dogs went back into their individual runs.

All fences were chain link or welded mesh wire.

 

[9973720wb19]

Try calling the neighbor and have them over your house for a nice meeting to work things out. Start the conversation by letting them know, your when you're running your tractor and attachments around, you would not want to see the dogs get hurt...because you like dogs. If this does not get you anywhere, have a lawyer send a letter quoting some local laws about dog control.

 

[beppington]

A four strand barb wire fence will not even slow down ANY self-respecting dog.

No doubt.

Also, I don't understand the invisible fence thing. I know it's supposed to keep your dogs IN, but how does it keep other dogs OUT?

When we raised purebred dogs we used a 3 fence system:
1. Individual fenced runs for one or two dogs.
2. An excercise pen that surrrounded the individual runs. The dogs could be released from the individual runs into the surrounding exercise pen.
3. A dog tight perimeter fence around the entire property. When we were there, we released the dogs (except bitches in season) into the main yard. At night all the dogs went back into their individual runs.

All fences were chain link or welded mesh wire.

I don't know for sure, but I think I remember seeing an interior fence at these dogs' house. I'm sure hoping these dogs are normally in there & the owner does what you said: just lets them out in main yard while he's there ... & had gotten into the bad habit of letting them go under the fence onto "vacant land" (mine).

 

[beppington]

Try calling the neighbor and have them over your house for a nice meeting to work things out. Start the conversation by letting them know, your when you're running your tractor and attachments around, you would not want to see the dogs get hurt...because you like dogs. If this does not get you anywhere, have a lawyer send a letter quoting some local laws about dog control.

Interesting you mention lawyer: I just looked up the dog owner's parcel #, got his name from that, & googled him, & most of the google entries indicate he's an attorney.