New B2650 Owner

[JOHNTHOMAS]

Stopped at Barlows yesterday and drove the B2650. The new HST tractors stop differently than they did in the past. This new one stops great in low gear, easy/feel safe to pull up to the side of a truck with a heavy load and know it will stop immediately when the pedal is totally released. It does not stop immediately in M range, let off pedal at a semi fast speed and it rolls some and let off when going fast in H it rolls even further coming to a gradual stop. It felt right stopping in each different gear. It does have brakes to stop faster in the M and H gear if one wants to but the brakes shouldn't and never have been needed before in L or turtle on an HST that I've owned and I'm only talking from owning about 20 Kubota HSTs. I know lots or some people own one and then become Kubota specialists because of how their one works and that's OK for them. Those of us that have owned several know changes are made in the models and over the years that let us know we only speak about our knowledge about a specific model and often times that specific machine.
Any way, best deals come out in April from Kubota so waiting to do final paperwork transaction after the first of the month. GEHL 3640e Skid Steer went to Barlows yesterday evening, buy from me till paperwork signed for $24000 with under 10 hours or buy from Barlows for ???? but he delivers and I don't.

 

[vacman]

I saw this part of the thread yesterday and was curious. I drove my tractor this morning and tried letting off the peddle to see about the stopping time. In all three ranges, the tractor rolls after let off. It is not still under power but it will coast until it stops. Is this wrong? Should there be some sort of braking as part of the HST? My previous kubota did this too so I have always assumed that was the way it was. It never caused me any problems but if it's not correct, I'd like to know.

Thanks
John

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

I saw this part of the thread yesterday and was curious. I drove my tractor this morning and tried letting off the peddle to see about the stopping time. In all three ranges, the tractor rolls after let off. It is not still under power but it will coast until it stops. Is this wrong? Should there be some sort of braking as part of the HST? My previous kubota did this too so I have always assumed that was the way it was. It never caused me any problems but if it's not correct, I'd like to know.

Thanks
John

All HSTs I've owned (19) have stopped in l or turtle gear when the pedal is released without pushing the brake pedal except for a BX25D-1 I owned. I've always had confidence that when I approached the side of my truck or a building where stopping is critical that my HST Kubotas would stop when I released the footpedal and all but one has. The new B2650 I tried did stop in l but not M or H, it rolled on some but when I need to be precise I don't use M or L anyway so the new way the HSTs seem to be working of rolling some after release is acceptable except in l range and it did stop correctly in L range (release pedal and it stops, no rolling on).
The pedals can be adjusted to get the pedal to center and center quicker which isn't new, always been that way but when centered they stopped. Now they seem to roll on after centered and I even bumped the pedal a bit into reverse on the BX25D-1 and when it returned to center it rolled on forward if a slight incline. Had to use brake pedal to ensure stop and stay stopped like on a car/truck which an HST tractor isn't either one of those. A big selling point of Kubota RTVs is their stopping power with their HST when throttle released where many RTVs/UTVs keep free wheeling after throttle released which many feel is dangerous.
Sounds like yours needs adjusting to get it to center and stop in at least L gear. Maybe try bumping pedal to rear just a tad and see if it stops when pedal is centered for sure.

 

[Trailfarmer]

Hey guys, I've really enjoyed this thread and hope it's okay to ask a few questions. Is the tractor in this thread the same base as used for the B2650TLB? Besides horsepower and possibly other features is the B2650 the same base model as the B2920? Thought I needed an L to replace trusty dt245, but perhaps a B2650\B2920 can serve my needs? Will use for drive maintenance, trail building (dirt not rock), pushing cut down trees, hauling firewood, mowing, moving some rock and dirt, etc. Guy nearby has a nice B2920 for sale and L's just seem to keep getting more expensive. Would appreciate some feedback if you can spare it. Now back to the original thread.......Thanks, Trailfarmer

 

[s219]

B2920 is an older smaller "basic" B, same tractor as the (also older) B2620 but with a larger motor. The new replacement model is the B2601.

B2650 is a "deluxe" B, and larger than the B2920. The 2650 is a newer model.

 

[Huskerfan]

After a year of research and reading then rereading the various posts, l too am jumping on the B2650 bandwagon, trading the trusty BX2200.

I ordered it last week with the standard 54 inch bucket and QUICK CHANGE. My thinking; less ballasting, more stability, easier to fit in tight spots around house and trees, less storage space in garage and less weight to move around when changing to a pallet fork bucket. Anyone have further thoughts about the merits of a 54 vs. 60 inch bucket?

 

[robertm]

After a year of research and reading then rereading the various posts, l too am jumping on the B2650 bandwagon, trading the trusty BX2200. I ordered it last week with the standard 54 inch bucket and QUICK CHANGE. My thinking; less ballasting, more stability, easier to fit in tight spots around house and trees, less storage space in garage and less weight to move around when changing to a pallet fork bucket. Anyone have further thoughts about the merits of a 54 vs. 60 inch bucket?

Not looking for an argument... But are you sure what you are looking at? The B2650 is larger and not as nimble as the BX, thus less easy to fit in tight spots. The steering on the B alone has a larger turning radius, and the geometry of the front end of a B will cut up any turf on turns. Ask me... I know.

Not sure you'll get better stability, the BX is on the ground compared to the B. I have had a few of both, and the B is not as stable on hills as the BX, and with a loader AND ballast behind, the BX will feel more stable closer to the ground. My B is easy to lift the back up curling the bucket, where my BX could not. When the Loader lifts the back, the pucker factor is equal on ANY tractor. The old B's allowed spreading the rear tires out for stability. The new ones do not.

The BX is lighter than the B, and its footprint is smaller in the garage. The length of the BX in the specs includes the 3pt, where the B does not.

In regards to the 54 vs 60 bucket. The 60 is likely a snow bucket... For light duty. Not that the Bucket is lighter in construction, but it will max your loader capability. Your use will dictate.

 

[prichard]

Not looking for an argument... But are you sure what you are looking at? The B2650 is larger and not as nimble as the BX, thus less easy to fit in tight spots. The steering on the B alone has a larger turning radius, and the geometry of the front end of a B will cut up any turf on turns. Ask me... I know.

Not sure you'll get better stability, the BX is on the ground compared to the B. I have had a few of both, and the B is not as stable on hills as the BX, and with a loader AND ballast behind, the BX will feel more stable closer to the ground. My B is easy to lift the back up curling the bucket, where my BX could not. When the Loader lifts the back, the pucker factor is equal on ANY tractor. The old B's allowed spreading the rear tires out for stability. The new ones do not.

The BX is lighter than the B, and its footprint is smaller in the garage. The length of the BX in the specs includes the 3pt, where the B does not.

In regards to the 54 vs 60 bucket. The 60 is likely a snow bucket... For light duty. Not that the Bucket is lighter in construction, but it will max your loader capability. Your use will dictate.

What he said. The b2650 is a "big" B. 2301 and 2501 are one size up from BX, the 50's are 2 sizes up.

 

[Huskerfan]

Don't get me wrong, the BX 2200 has been a great tractor but it's small size has created plenty of pucker moments. My requirements are for greater FEL lifting capacity, quick change bucket to pallet loader bucket for loading logs and moving wood, more pto power for chipper, more three point hitch lifting capacity for the chipper and aerator. Strongly considered the B2601, Mahindra Max 24 and 26xl and drove them but the B2650 has superb ergonomics with a cab and ac to protect against heat, sun, bugs, dust and cold. That is worth a lot to me. For mowing tight spots and snow blowing, the grasshopper 725Dt will soldier on.

 

[vacman]

I've had both sizes of the B series and the smaller one actually feels more stable. This is likely because of the lower height / wheel spread ratio. I loaded the rear tires of the new B2650 with rimgard which helps quite a bit. I can lift a lot before the rear end comes off the ground now. For hill use, I am actually considering spacers as well. It feels like I want to roll when on a slight hill but this might be because of the suspension seat combined with the taller height combined with my inexperience with it.
I bought the 60" bucket because I like the idea of it for snow removal and I can just not fill it to capacity when working with heavier materials. Its worked well so far but if I ever want a small bucket, I can buy one so I'll have the best of both worlds.

Good luck
John