New boom cylinder fixed the droopsies..

   / New boom cylinder fixed the droopsies..
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#11  
Well I can break things pretty good, but I'll put on my mellow hands for this seal kit. I put out a couple more feelers for it, will see what comes around.

I have the BH14-0100 boom cylinder schematic and part nrs in a .pdf file...but I don't know what all will need replacing (till I get it apart i guess.)

I'm just wondering that if it IS a "rolled O-ring" problem, can't just that one O-ring be replaced, or is it a much better idea to replace them all, and dust seals, because I might bollox them too on disassembly?
 
   / New boom cylinder fixed the droopsies.. #12  
Post the cylinder breakdown. I'll let you know exactly what you need and how to do it.
"Bollox?" Is that a Whidbey Isle term? Or have you been into the Miller beer already.
 
   / New boom cylinder fixed the droopsies..
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#13  
Good deal! Had to convert to .jpg to post:

BH14-0100 Boom Cylinder




Bollox is Brit sailortalk for skrew it up.
 
   / New boom cylinder fixed the droopsies.. #14  
Haaaaaa-Haaaaaa--HHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA................................
Your dealer is such an idiot! Look at the description for items 2 and 8, part #'s BH14-0100-P and BH14-0200-P. Description? SEAL KIT!
 
   / New boom cylinder fixed the droopsies..
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#15  
lol, au-contraire`, the dealer I bought the ck30 tlb from is great, but this closer dealer outside Seattle that priced the parts sounded like he didn't have time to really look and might have been more of a "clerk" or somethin' in the parts department. I didn't get a warm 'n fuzzy speaking or emailing him.

So those two seal kit items, BH14-0100-P and BH14-0200-P, are all that I need to rebuild this? Also need the two O-rings item 5003-0065 and two 5004-M701? No retainers, backup rings or other seals?
 
   / New boom cylinder fixed the droopsies.. #16  
Okay, pretty simple but a little vague from the drawing, but you can tell by looking at it. Put the cylinder in a good holder. If you put it in a vise, don't squeeze too hard or you may dent the housing. Do that, it's junk. Unscrew the cap nut, # 2. Now, pull the rod all the way out until it stops. This is the piston, #11 hitting the gland, #6. Now, push the rod back in about 12". Pull it out fast and hard. This may take a few times. You have to unseat the gland from the housing. Use the rod kind of like a slide hammer to unseat the gland. You will want to replace #8. There are wear bands in here, #'s 7 and 12, but unless they're damaged, don't worry about them. #10 says it's a retainer, but I don't know what kind. See below--->** You will need #13, I suspect this is what's bad.** You may have to put the rod end in a good vise to remove the piston nut. But, if you don't have to remove the piston to change the seals, just leave it alone. For a customer, even though this is a fairly new cylinder, I automatically change all the seals. But for you on this, just do what you have to. Unless, you really want to learn, then remove the piston and the gland just to peek at everything to see how it works. You won't hurt anything if you do.

A little cylinder terminology. 3 is called the wiper. It is installed backwards of what you would think. It's function is to keep stuff out of the cylinder, not to keep fluid in. That's why it looks backwards.
4 and 5 are your rod seals. These come in all different configurations, from a simple o-ring, to a U seal, to a set of V packings. They all work, just pick your poison.
6 is the gland. It holds the rod seal and outer o-rings. It can neither slide in like this one, or it will have threads and screw into the housing, eliminating the need for #2.
8 is an o-ring and a back-up ring. Back-up ring is kind of rectangular and goes on first, then the o-ring.
7 and 12 are wear bands. Some have them, some not. Depends on the cylinder function and seal style.
11 is the piston. Piston seals go here, it usually is held onto the rod with a nut or bolt, sometimes they are threaded and screw onto the rod and held in place with a set screw.
13 of course, the piston seals. Many configurations. Some better than others but you have what you have, no changing them.
9 are o-rings that seal the inside of the piston to the rod so fluid can't bypass there. You could probably leave them out and never have a problem, but change them anyway, cheap insurance.

When assembling, if you have any doubt, the open part of the V or U style goes towards the pressure you want to seal.

Coat anything flexible with good clean oil before you assemble. Keep the assembly area clean............ no,............ i mean CLEAN! Like surgical clean. Really, I mean it. Any dirt on a seal is like sandblasting your car's paint. Yes, put 2,000 psi behind a piece of dirt, instant leak.

I think that should about cover it. You're lucky I'm too sore to get up today or this would have been short and sweet.:)

Good luck, any questions, feel free to ask. You might want to print this and refer when you do this.
Andy.

**13 is called the back up ring, 12 looks like a wear band in the drawing, but they are calling it a packing bushing. Which, may mean it's a packing (seal), or a bushing( wear band). Or, it's both.
 
   / New boom cylinder fixed the droopsies.. #17  
RexB said:
lol, au-contraire`, the dealer I bought the ck30 tlb from is great, but this closer dealer outside Seattle that priced the parts sounded like he didn't have time to really look and might have been more of a "clerk" or somethin' in the parts department. I didn't get a warm 'n fuzzy speaking or emailing him.

So those two seal kit items, BH14-0100-P and BH14-0200-P, are all that I need to rebuild this? Also need the two O-rings item 5003-0065 and two 5004-M701? No retainers, backup rings or other seals?

All you really need is the piston seal kit, but, if it were mine, I would buy both. Cheap insurance.
All other rings needed should be in the kits.

And, it will be a cold day in hades (sp? you know, h-e- double toothpicks) when I don't have time for a customer or the time to get it right.
 
   / New boom cylinder fixed the droopsies..
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#18  
Excellent! I'll clean off a workbench, wash my hands (it's Saturday right?) and get oily. I've two good benchvises w pipe/cylinder fittings, decent tools, and a hot wrench if something is stubborn. Can I buy the parts from you?

*au contraire` = what Brit sailors say when we're being sophisticated.
 
   / New boom cylinder fixed the droopsies.. #19  
Bloody well right! Call Rick Wallace for the parts, I would have to buy them from him anyway. His # is 570-689-7494. He is a Kioti dealer and contributes to TBN frequently. If you can't get a fair deal from Rick, there isn't a fair deal anywhere. (yes Rick, I got the check, he-he) A pipe vise is perfect, that's what I use. I've got 6 of them. But, only 2 hands, darn.
 
   / New boom cylinder fixed the droopsies..
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#20  
Rgr 'dat, thanks for the rec and he's great to work with I've bought stuff from him before.

I just got another price quote and I have to wonder what's going on with these parts prices. I had a motorcycle and a boat holes-to-pour-money-down, so now I guess it's the "Hydraulic" word to spend my fortune on. For O-rings and seals, the prices just aren't computing for me. $53 to $107 quotes I don't get it. This cylinder works and I've gotta' rethink about replacing parts. Am I getting too old or what?
 

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