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   / New Colorado and Canyon's being shipped daily. #21  
Meh, the low power # doesn't surprise me all that much. The hp/torque is fairly comparable to the 3.2 I5 diesel in the Transit. I think people have gotten too used to the 3/4 & 1 ton diesel power wars and are disappointed with more "conservative" diesels.
 
   / New Colorado and Canyon's being shipped daily. #22  
Many factors go into towing. Ability to manage heat, transmission, gear ratios, ect.

My gut is they will push the diesel by limiting the ability of the gas motor "package"

GM has only been working on this baby Dmax for a dozen years now. It better sell or it will bankrupt them!

Chris

That baby duramax engine was tossed on the back shelf several years ago . Come to think of it the Duraamx is just a Japanese Isuzu anyways. GM decided it would be cheaper to contract the Fiat diesel built by VM Motori of Italy. Numerous auto manufactures already use the VM Motori diesels in countries where diesel is cheaper per lifer than gasoline .
The only thing Duramax about the four banger diesel burners in the pickup and Cruz is the label.
Given that DI gassers get just as good mileage per btu as diesel . And gasoline costing less per gallon than diesel. Along with the expense of the diesel option and the extra diesel service costs. Why bother?
Diesel glory days were 1989 to 2006. That is getting to be a while ago.
 
   / New Colorado and Canyon's being shipped daily. #23  
Ugh! I'm sure you're right. :rolleyes:

So, I wonder why the 2.5l gas engine (200hp) is only rated for towing 3500#, and the 2.8l diesel (181hp) is rated for 7700#?:confused:

Silverado's must have been rather narrow back in the 90's.

My v6 tacoma has less than a 100 #/ft of torque than the 2.8l duramax.

Is the 2.5L the 5 cylinder in my 2012? If so i can see why its limit is 3500!!! This thing is so slow inbetween gears up a slight incline. Hook a smaller bassboat to it to tow up and down some hills to the lake and it probably will be kind of doggish?
 
   / New Colorado and Canyon's being shipped daily. #24  
No, the 2.5l is a new engine (DI I4) for the Colorado/Canyon. The I5 is a 3.5l and has been retired as far as I know. The largest engine in the new Colorado/Canyon is a DI 3.6l v6 305hp.

On a side note diesel in Carson, Ca is $2.799, Regular gas is $3.759 (per gasbuddy). Makes me think having a diesel engine option would make sense there.
 
   / New Colorado and Canyon's being shipped daily. #25  
No, the 2.5l is a new engine (DI I4) for the Colorado/Canyon. The I5 is a 3.5l and has been retired as far as I know. The largest engine in the new Colorado/Canyon is a DI 3.6l v6 305hp.

On a side note diesel in Carson, Ca is $2.799, Regular gas is $3.759 (per gasbuddy). Makes me think having a diesel engine option would make sense there.

It's summer travel season with higher gasoline demand and lower heating fuel oil demand. Low natural gas & LP prices have also temporally reduced fuel oil demand. Sweet light crude oil price is down making diesel cheaper to refine. Just wait until crude oil goes back up.
Come the end of summer, some fool stirring up the middle east and someday NG and LP prices will rise. Diesel will once again be more $$$ than gasoline. Since 2006 on average diesel has been more $$$ than gasoline. The past few months is just a brief blip.
 
   / New Colorado and Canyon's being shipped daily. #26  
It's summer travel season with higher gasoline demand and lower heating fuel oil demand. Low natural gas & LP prices have also temporally reduced fuel oil demand. Sweet light crude oil price is down making diesel cheaper to refine. Just wait until crude oil goes back up.
Come the end of summer, some fool stirring up the middle east and someday NG and LP prices will rise. Diesel will once again be more $$$ than gasoline. Since 2006 on average diesel has been more $$$ than gasoline. The past few months is just a brief blip.

Diesel here in the Mid West has never dipped below gas. Best it's done is got even at about the $2.65 price point.

Chris
 
   / New Colorado and Canyon's being shipped daily. #27  
The GM 2.8L Dmax going the Colorado is not an Izusu original design. GM, up till 2013, held a 50% share of VM Motori in Italy. I had a 2.8L VM Diesel in a 2006 Jeep Liberty. I have done a lot of digging around and looking at the 2.8L Dmax, and except for a different brand VG turbo, a little higher rail pressure, a little more hp and torque, it is a carbon copy of the VM 2.8L, except the latest emissions stuff. Would make sense, VM builds good motors, and I am sure GM already started working on their 2.8L while still owning a part of VM. The GM 2.8L going in the Colorado has already been in pickups elsewhere in the world. It isn't something novel or new.

My experience with the VM, is that is was a great motor. Cast Iron block, wet sleeved, DOHC and it would pull like a bull. It had no problem yanking around a 300 gallon fuel wagon around hilly, soft farm ground. I pulled a class 6 Interstate Battery truck out of the ditch with it during an ice storm shortly after I got the Jeep. And the EPA estimated highway mpg for it was 27 mpg, and there were very few times it averaged less than 32 mpg on road trips.

And the 2.8L is developing as much or more torque than the small blocks in the 1500 series pickups, except the 6.2L. And it is doing so at 2000 RPM compared to 4200+ RPM like the V8's. People get stuck on horsepower but that isn't a diesel's forte. My 12.7L Detroit 60 in my semi only has 500 hp, but it has 1750 torque and has no trouble pulling around up to 80,000 lb running at 1425 RPM. A Dodge Viper has considerably more HP, but it would blow up trying to do the same work. Sure gearing, chassis, and drive components are different, but if you took the Viper motor and put it in a semi truck and made everything else equal, you would have pistons and rods going thru the oil pan trying to pull 12,000 lb of trailer with 46,000 lb of cargo in the back. HP and torque have different relationships between different fueled engines.

Fuel pricing is as much relative to states as it is to regions. State fuel taxes are all over the map. In Iowa, right now diesel is averaging 30 cents a gallon cheaper than regular gas. Great for my trucking operation!

I think, for the typical buyer that would get a mid sized pickup like the Colorado, the 2.8L diesel would more than make up for it's additional purchase price over it's life cycle. Most folks who get something like this would rarely pull more than 6000 lb behind it, would not be trying to load a ton of concrete in the back, and would most likely use it as a daily commuter vehicle to work. The 2.8L would shine in those situations. I am not giving up my 2015 2500HD for one, and am not in the market to have another pickup around, but if I were, I would take a very strong look at the Colorado with the 2.8L Dmax.
 
   / New Colorado and Canyon's being shipped daily. #28  
Diesel here in the Mid West has never dipped below gas. Best it's done is got even at about the $2.65 price point. Chris

Midwest is a broad brush you should say your area. I've seen diesel cheaper in many Midwestern states.
 
   / New Colorado and Canyon's being shipped daily. #29  
Midwest is a broad brush you should say your area. I've seen diesel cheaper in many Midwestern states.

I'm not that far from Chris, but we've had diesel cheaper than RUG a few times this past summer.

I remember when fuel prices spiked a decade or so ago and diesel was way cheaper. I wonder if we'll get back to that point again anytime soon. Diesel is a lower distillate, after all.
 
   / New Colorado and Canyon's being shipped daily. #30  
Midwest is a broad brush you should say your area. I've seen diesel cheaper in many Midwestern states.

In the last wee I have driven to Knoxville, St Louis, Evansville, and Lexington. Never once did I see diesel cheaper including pat my home Indianapolis.

I also flew to Kansas City, Concord NC, and St Louis.

To me that's a pretty good cross section.



Chris
 

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