New considering custom bailing

[schmism]

I prefer 4x5 as they are easyer to handle than 1200lb monsters.

Ive had my feild net wrapped and string tied. Seemed it had more to do with how the bailer was set up as a tight string tied held up just as well as a loose net wrapped.

They say net wrapped have less spoilage on in the outside of the bales if stored outside, another reason why people like the larger 5x5 or 5x6 bales. mine arnt outside but about 6 months so not that big of an issue for me.

 

[civesnedfield]

DOT number i know but I will mention you are one of the few who knows about the motor carrier number and it's under 150miles so its not commercial it all falls under farm use (farm tags, farm insurance) I know there's self employment tax I have payed it before and guy your not the only one who knows service is required I worked for a guy bailing for a few years I've seen equipment break down but if you take care of it early it saves time and money. And a misspelled word who cares when its always spelled bail then it comes first hand you don't always catch the small things.

It is only FARM USE if the equipment is being used in the daily activities on YOUR FARM. Any other use is considered COMMERCIAL.

 

[sweettractors]

That's what I was talking about when I used the word "silage". I never forgot seeing a hay barn, or shed, burn when I was just a kid, before I was 10 years old. There was a rather large shed (poles and roof; no sides) in Purcell, OK, full of hay and on fire when we drove by on the highway. A week later, we drove by again and it was still smoldering. Of course, in the late '90s, I was a member of our country volunteer fire department. Hay fires are tough to extinguish, but "silage" or "haylage" was so uncommon in the neighborhood that I had no experience, and of course never knew of any to burn.

But here's a couple of pictures of the best silage I've seen. That's 100% corn, cut and ground up, stalks, cobs, and all; ground or crushed so thoroughly there's not a whole kernel of corn anywhere. This sure beats wrapping and baling.

Now, that is a Pile of silage. Once they run over with heavy tractors to push out internal oxygen, usually with duals loaded to the max, they will cover that tightly in plastic to keep out the oxygen. Then over a few weeks it turns into the sweetest smell and the best feed on earth. Ken Sweet

 

[Bird]

Now, that is a Pile of silage.

Yep, 301 x 251? 65,000 tons of corn silage, 45 high, owned by a 5 member consortium of dairies. And as you said, covered with black plastic, held down by many, many weights that "looked like" (but weren't actually) halves of tires. That was just SE of Hillsboro, TX, on July 7, 2002.

 

[Duffster]

Yep, 301 x 251? 65,000 tons of corn silage, 45 high, owned by a 5 member consortium of dairies. And as you said, covered with black plastic, held down by many, many weights that "looked like" (but weren't actually) halves of tires. That was just SE of Hillsboro, TX, on July 7, 2002.

You sure about that?

 

[Bird]

You sure about that?

Yep, I sure thought they were tire halves, black rings, when I saw them from a distance, but up close was another matter.

 

[Duffster]

Yep, I sure thought they were tire halves, black rings, when I saw them from a distance, but up close was another matter.

I wonder what they where then?

What they use around here really aren't halves as much as just the sidewall, or just skeletons like in that one picture you posted.

 

[LoneCowboy]

DOT number i know but I will mention you are one of the few who knows about the motor carrier number and it's under 150miles so its not commercial it all falls under farm use (farm tags, farm insurance)

No it's not.

You are doing commercial work for other people off your own property.
All the commercial rules apply

You don't need an M/C number or a UCC number because you'll be a private intrastate carrier (you aren't carrying other people's goods) and as long as you don't cross a state line.

 

[Bird]

I wonder what they where then?

What they use around here really aren't halves as much as just the sidewall, or just skeletons like in that one picture you posted.

Well, I thought they were half a tire, but then when I got a bit closer I noticed they were flat, or almost flat. You know a half a tire laid with the "cupped" side up will hold water, and what they were using didn't look like it would. However, maybe I didn't get close enough because you could very well be right about just the sidewall.

 

[Cline bailing]

No it's not.

You are doing commercial work for other people off your own property.
All the commercial rules apply

You don't need an M/C number or a UCC number because you'll be a private intrastate carrier (you aren't carrying other people's goods) and as long as you don't cross a state line.

So what your saying everyone that bails hay must be commercial tagged but all I have ever seen are farm tagged and sod growers who deliver and install sod must be commercial but all I've seen in Oklahoma have farm tags. Majority of use is private it's farm use and M/C is a touchy part it's hard to get all the facts you need.

 

[two_bit_score]

So what your saying everyone that bails hay must be commercial tagged but all I have ever seen are farm tagged and sod growers who deliver and install sod must be commercial but all I've seen in Oklahoma have farm tags. Majority of use is private it's farm use and M/C is a touchy part it's hard to get all the facts you need.

You are doing the right thing trying to get opinions and input on what you are considering doing. Just keep in mind that some people have to point out every mistake or drawback. Sometimes this is in good spirit in trying to be helpful and sometimes it's just because they want to knock anyone who is considering taking a chance and maybe actually accomplishing something.

It is hard to cover everything, you are right about that. One thing I know is that if you do ask, someone is going to try to knock your idea down if you give them any opening. Don't give them too much credibility. Chances are they aren't exactly perfect either.

Good luck on your endeavor. I hope you get the information you need and if you decide to make a try at it I hope you are successful. We need good custom balers. They are hard to find.

 

[Duffster]

So what your saying everyone that bails hay must be commercial tagged but all I have ever seen are farm tagged and sod growers who deliver and install sod must be commercial but all I've seen in Oklahoma have farm tags. Majority of use is private it's farm use and M/C is a touchy part it's hard to get all the facts you need.

A sod farm that is delivering there own product would be completely different than you.

We have farm trucks that have farm tags and are CDL exempt that are still CMV's that require USDOT numbers and Fed Med cards and all the jive that goes with them.

 

[D7E]

Yep, I sure thought they were tire halves, black rings, when I saw them from a distance, but up close was another matter.

It's 5-6 years since i've worked on the silage crews but complete tyres were the norm for holding down the sheets . Always dreaded the last day on each farm because you knew you had to throw on thousands of them before convoying off to the next farm . Usually got a feed and a few beers for it though .

 

[Cline bailing]

A sod farm that is delivering there own product would be completely different than you.

We have farm trucks that have farm tags and are CDL exempt that are still CMV's that require USDOT numbers and Fed Med cards and all the jive that goes with them.

It all depends on GVW if your truck and trailer combo is over 26,000 you have to have a CDL. And how is sod any different they are hauling there tractors to install. In Oklahoma farm use laws are more flexible.

 

[Duffster]

It all depends on GVW if your truck and trailer combo is over 26,000 you have to have a CDL. And how is sod any different they are hauling there tractors to install. In Oklahoma farm use laws are more flexible.

CMV's start at 10k.

 

[Cline bailing]

CMV's start at 10k.

I said you have to have a CDL if it's over 26,000 and CMV's don't have weight limits commercial vehicles are business or company use vehicles (car, truck, and trailers).

 

[Duffster]

I said you have to have a CDL if it's over 26,000 and CMV's don't have weight limits commercial vehicles are business or company use vehicles (car, truck, and trailers).

Some States Require USDOT Numbers
In select states (see green highlighted states or list below), all registrants of commercial motor vehicles, even intrastate and non-Motor Carrier registrants, are required to obtain a USDOT Number as a necessary condition for commercial vehicle registration..

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration-licensing/registration-USDOT.htm

Commercial motor vehicle means any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in
interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle
(1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle
weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is
greater; or

http://www.dps.state.ok.us/ohp/SFarm.pdf

Part 390.5: Definitions. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

:thumbsup:

 

[LoneCowboy]

You are doing the right thing trying to get opinions and input on what you are considering doing. Just keep in mind that some people have to point out every mistake or drawback. Sometimes this is in good spirit in trying to be helpful and sometimes it's just because they want to knock anyone who is considering taking a chance and maybe actually accomplishing something.

It is hard to cover everything, you are right about that. One thing I know is that if you do ask, someone is going to try to knock your idea down if you give them any opening. Don't give them too much credibility. Chances are they aren't exactly perfect either.

Good luck on your endeavor. I hope you get the information you need and if you decide to make a try at it I hope you are successful. We need good custom balers. They are hard to find.

I'm not knocking his idea.
I'm trying to give him the information that he clearly lacks.
BTDT trying to be helpful
So, ClineBailing, you can either go peruse FMCSA website yourself (which you should do anyway) or you can believe Duffster and I, who live it every day.

It's not an impossible task, but it's another cost(s) that you need to consider in pricing your work.

BTW, don't forget the random drug tests if you have a CDL

 

[Cline bailing]

I'm not knocking his idea.
I'm trying to give him the information that he clearly lacks.
BTDT trying to be helpful
So, ClineBailing, you can either go peruse FMCSA website yourself (which you should do anyway) or you can believe Duffster and I, who live it every day.

It's not an impossible task, but it's another cost(s) that you need to consider in pricing your work.

BTW, don't forget the random drug tests if you have a CDL

I have done my research and I finally found where farm vehicle and private use vehicle are exempt from M/C. BTW, I'm not a drugey never tried the stuff and never will. If you don't break the law you won't get drug tested.

 

[Cline bailing]

I know a DOT number is required and M/C isn't required. The vehicle can and will be farm tagged under what duffster looked up
Farm vehicle driver means a person who drives only a commercial motor vehicle that is
(a) Controlled and operated by a farmer as a private motor carrier of property;
(b) Being used to transport either
(1) Agricultural products, or
(2) Farm machinery, farm supplies, or both, to or from a farm;
(c) Not being used in the operation of a for-hire motor carrier;
(d) Not carrying hazardous materials of a type or quantity that requires the commercial motor
vehicle to be placarded in accordance with ｧ177.823 of this subtitle; and
(e) Being used within 150 air miles of the farmer's farm.