New Dumby online, needing opinions!

   / New Dumby online, needing opinions! #31  
You have gotten quite a list of alternate tractors to go look at, which I certainly agree with - but the most important for a new owner, new to tractors, is a strong local dealer. If you have never operated a tractor before, you may need help with even the most basic things- changing attachments, oil changes, etc. So let the local dealer factor into your search. Also keep in mind (a bit) the resale point - a lot of new owners end up selling after a few years....change of heart, move, trade up, etc....and a lesser known brand will kick you hard in the used classifieds.
 
   / New Dumby online, needing opinions! #32  
In the 30 hp range you have 3 basic choices. Japanese, Chinese or Korean.

CHINESE: Jinma, Kama
JAPANESE: John Deere, New Holland, Case, Kubota, Massey
KOREAN: Mahindra, Kioti, Branson

Regarding Mahindra specifically, some of their tractors are Korean, some are Japanese, I believe the smaller sizes are Japanese Mistsubishi tractors, and at rougly 30hp on up (I may be wrong on the transition point) the Mahindras are Korean. By the way, Cub Cadets are the same, under 35hp they are Japanese, but 35, 40 and 45hp models are Korean.

UNDER 30hp you can take the list above, but move Mahindra to Japanese. Add Cub Cadet to Japanese.


The Chinese tractors have a reputation for low price and lower fit and finish, fewer features and more basic design, also for spotty dealer support. Generally these are very heavy machines and more like old ag tractors than modern cuts.

The Japanese tractors have a reputation for being the highest priced but with excellent fit and finish, excellent ergonomics, and a wide range of features from minimal to maximum depending on the model. Depending on the brand and model, they can be ultra light or modestly heavy machines (very few fall into the very heavy category).

The Korean tractors are rapidly gaining a reputation for excellent fit and finish, good to excellent ergonimics, and often a very good value for the money (although that seems to be regional and in some areas they are as high as the big 3 Japanese tractors). They are also very heavy tractors.

Now to start up the LIGHT versus HEAVY debate . . . with implements the tractor with a greater advantage all else being equal:

HEAVY ADVANTAGE (more traction)= box blade, grader blade, sub soiler
LIGHT ADVANTAGE (less compaction)= lawn mowing, tilling the garden
NO REAL ADVANTAGE = Post Hole Digger, Sprayer, Rotary Cutter

FEL work, this one is really open to some heated discussion, generally a heavier tractor will have more capacity than a lighter one, but that is not always true. When digging into a pile a heavy tractor has some advantage. Generally, however, every tractor, light or heavy, needs some serious counter balance to work a FEL safely. I would give a slight advantage for FEL work to a heavier tractor, but I would be more concerned about BALANCE. If the tractor is heavy but has more mass in front of the front axel than a mid-weight tractor, the mid-weight tractor might have better balance and acutally need less ballast to get the correct balance. So for FEL work, a simple LIGHT versus HEAVY arguement becomes harder to defend.

BigAl and I already hashed over the GEAR versus HYDRO debate a little bit. Hydro has added costs that might bust your budget, it also eliminates many different tractors from consideration because some brands simply don't offer Hydro. But it also has some serious advantages for some tasks. You have to decide if you can afford it.

What you really need to do, BEFORE you pick a brand or a size (hp) is to look at your tasks. Decide what tasks you will likely do for the most hours per year. I am not the only one who questioned the size of machine you are considering, but given your lot size, I have been the most vocal in saying that you are looking at too large of a tractor based on the tasks you listed. You still have to decide for yourself.

To analyse your needs, look at your work on your 5.5 acres as you listed them . . . For example, if you are going to mow the lawn 30 weeks a year, and if it takes 2 hours to mow the lawn, then a typicaly year will have 60 hours of lawn mowing. If you are going to grade the drive way and it is 400' long, you will likely do that 2 to 4 times a year, perhaps, 4 hours each time, so roughly 12 hours a year (combination of box blade, FEL work). Post hole digging takes about 1 minute per hole (actual drilling) so if you have to put in 2000' of fencing with posts every 8', you will drill 250 holes which is just over 3 hours (that does NOT include set up time for each hole!) but once that work is done, it is DONE for a decade or more. Rotary cutting may occur once a month for 3 or 4 months at 2 or 3 hours each time, so about 9 hours per year.

Once you figure all that out, and they will be rough guesses, then you can decide what type of machine is best for you. Then look at the brands that has those attributes. Ignore the sales pitches that "this is best" or "that is an advantage" and go with the facts for YOUR property. Eliminate any machine that does not have the features you need or is of the wrong type based on your situation.


ALSO, SteveM gave you some very good advice about dealers, I wish I would have said that!
 
   / New Dumby online, needing opinions!
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#33  
SteveM,

Yeah, I see your point, I was just reading some threads on a guy that went to buy some implements and the terrible time he had. I guess since I know @%$# about tractors that I might want to buy from some local, someone that I can run over to when I have a problem or question. My only problem with that is this.... I don't mind spending money on things I want/need, but I can't stand when I buy a big ticket item, think I got a good deal on it, then just HAPPEN to see a better deal two weeks later, I actually quit lookin' at whatever I bought so I don't see great deals!

Thanks,
Bobby
 
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#34  
Bob,

Thanks for TONS of helpful info. I think you all have convinced me that a large tractor (though it makes you feel more powerful and increases your self esteem) may not be the smartest thing, I keep reading about all these people with 25-30 HP tractors maintaining 20+ acres with ease. I guess that I'm going to concentrate my efforts in looking for a solid 25-30 HP tractor on a medium type frame at a local dealer that gives away free hats and has a cute, young, big chested, gum smackin', blonde as a receptionist! HA

Thanks YET again!!!
Bobby
 
   / New Dumby online, needing opinions! #35  
And certainly the most important is the quality of the blonde!

But seriously, within 20 miles of where you live, what brands of tractors do you have available to you? When you talk to the dealerships, ask them to pick up & deliver the tractor for any warrenty work during the warrenty period. (closer dealers are more likely to bail you out than distant dealers) Ask them to deliver implements to you free of charge if you order them at some point in the future. (again, easier for closer dealerships to give you) Ask for a free 50 hour service (with pick up & delivery) or at least ask for free fluid & filters for that service.

I'm a strong believer in good dealers and good dealer relationships.
 
   / New Dumby online, needing opinions!
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#36  
Bob,

Well, there's a LG Montana dealership about 8 miles from my house. The last couple of hours I've been reading up on them and calling several dealers. The tractors are made by Long Agribusiness, I have no idea if that's a good thing or not, they have 1 year bumper to bumper warranty, and 3 year engine/powertrain. Seeing as how they're so close I figure if I have any problems, they won't mind coming to pick up the tractor for repair work. And if it's still driving no problem for me to get it to them. Soooo, with that said, any information on LG Montana's????? If so, thanks!

Bobby
 
   / New Dumby online, needing opinions! #37  
Boy you are in a tough area if those are your choices. Can't & won't say anything bad or good because I don't know too much about either brand. I am pretty sure that neither of those brands is going to offer a Mid Mount Mower as an option, so that may sway your choice to drive farther? Long is NOT the manufacturer for LG from what I can see because Long has at least some of their tractors made for them by other manufacturers.

I know the LG is Korean, I am pretty sure the same tractors are marketed under a couple other names as well. It is new with no track record to speak of. The have a very limited product line at the lower end of the size range, I'm not even sure if they have one in the under 30hp range? All are GEAR tractors, so if you want Hydro, you are completely out of luck with that brand.

As for Long Agribusiness, they make a couple different lines of tractors, they have been around for a very long time. I've seen some near me. While not highly popular, they are modestly common. They have the Farm Trac series and use Mistubishi engines (Mitsu may make the whole tractor?) in at least their smaller units. For your use, there is a 27hp model that I am aware of. It is also only a GEAR machine. In their LandTrac line, the smallest they make is a 30hp unit, not sure who makes the engine for that one. To get a HYDRO from them, you have to go to their LandTrac series and look at the 35hp model, it is a Korean made Daedong machine and is a pretty large tractor (I think all the Long tractors are large relative to other brands, if memory serves me correctly it is something over 3000# dry weight. So fill the diesel tank, add fluid to the tires, plus your weight and the weight of a mower deck and you have a 2 ton lawn mower and that does NOT include the weight of the Front End Loader!) To put that into some sort of perspective, my 30hp Kubota B2910 with loaded tires and an implement is just over 2000 pounds so about half the weight (again without the FEL weight added).


By the way, here is one reason why I like Hydro versus Gear:
Sore Leg Thread on TBN


Just curious, but if you draw a circle about 30 or even 50 miles from where you live, are there more dealerships to choose from?
 
   / New Dumby online, needing opinions! #38  
FYI in the forum "all other brands" there are quite a few posts about LG Montana. Several of the posters are dealers so perhaps you might get added information.

Good luck,

Chris H
 
   / New Dumby online, needing opinions! #39  
DrHoliday, I definitely go with the 25-30HP range. With your quoted budget you should be able to do well with the tractor, FEL and equipment, while managing to avoid the Chinese tractors.
 
   / New Dumby online, needing opinions!
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#40  
Thanks for all the input, gentlemen. I took what I ended up thinking to be the best advice. That being to find a dealer NEAR me. I ended up buying the 30 HP 3040 LG Montana. It is gear driven, but hey, I guess money is a determining factor too! Ended up paying 18800 for the tractor and implements. I'll be coming back here often. Prolly with a sore left leg, but hey, it's weaker than my right right now anyway!!!!

Thanks Again All!!!

Bobby /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 

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