New Ford Superduty owners beware (diesels)

   / New Ford Superduty owners beware (diesels) #81  
Yes, honestly, that is the reason some people were able to get insurance to pay -- it gets written as "vandalism" because if Ford says the fuel is bad (but fuel tank isn't leaking) and the fuel company says it isn't, and you believe both those parties, then you must believe someone vandalized the truck by pouring water into the fuel tank, right?
 
   / New Ford Superduty owners beware (diesels) #82  
How long is it going to take for Ford to build a bullet proof diesel like the 7.3.

This is the second debacle since the 7.3. The 6,0 was a joke now this. If I was Ford I would contract with Toyota and buy their diesels. I have three HINO diesels ( made by Toyota ) in my big trucks and there diesels are absolutely trouble free.

I have a 95 Hino that is falling apart around the still strong engine, tranny and frame.

The seats are gone, the dash is vaporized, the Box is falling apart, the tail gate is on it's last legs, but the truck is a s strong today as the day it was built. I use any fuel, and any cheap oil I can find and she never uses a drop between changes.

I had a chance to buy a NEW Ford F250 with a Cummins engine in it from Brazil one time. Too bad with contracts Ford can't bring those beasts into the USA.
 
   / New Ford Superduty owners beware (diesels) #83  
One would think that Ford would address the water in fuel issue if it's going to wipe out a motor...It can't be that hard to install an evaporater of some sort.

Ford does get away with is garbage somehow....See the spark plug blowouts and exhaust bolts rotting out...I would think this kind of nonsense would trigger a recall..Guess not.
 
   / New Ford Superduty owners beware (diesels) #84  
Ford does get away with is garbage somehow....See the spark plug blowouts and exhaust bolts rotting out...I would think this kind of nonsense would trigger a recall..Guess not.

Speaking as a guy that has 2 broken exhaust studs on the passenger side of his f150 (1.5 years after replacing 4 broken drivers side ones with stainless) ..... Yup...:mad:
 
   / New Ford Superduty owners beware (diesels) #85  
A recall is only issued for safety issues, luckily all Ford's engine problems aren't a safety problem just a pride killer...
 
   / New Ford Superduty owners beware (diesels) #86  
Speaking as a guy that has 2 broken exhaust studs on the passenger side of his f150 (1.5 years after replacing 4 broken drivers side ones with stainless) ..... Yup...:mad:

Passenger side ones on mine are rotted off..A V10 in a E450...Not a fun fix.
 
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   / New Ford Superduty owners beware (diesels) #87  
Who knows, maybe Ford would have had the same problem if International kept building their motors, or even designed a new one for them. However, one of the selling points for me as a customer after having owned a GM 6.2 liter abortion of a diesel is having a diesel engine in a pickup that was made by another company that specializes in producing diesel engines. I've honestly heard far more good than bad about the new 6.7 Powerstroke and am sure it's a good engine, but honestly I think Ford made a mistake in getting away from International. It's not like a keep a vehicle for long anyway, but I knew for sure that even with my F250 there was no chance I was keeping one of the newer diesels past its warranty period. I really love the Duramax diesels too, and was frankly the most impressed with the new DMax over the newer Cummins and 6.7 Powerstroke, but in actuality I don't know that I'd own a DMax for too long past warranty either. I hate to say it, but of all the newer diesel engines out there I think the only one that I'd consider owning out of warranty is the Cummins. It's not even that the Cummins is any less prone to issues than the others, but the fact that the Cummins I6 design is far easier to work on, and is the only one that hasn't gone to requiring lifting the cab off for repairs. I am personally keeping my eyes out for a one ton SRW, regular cab 95-97 F350 7.3 Powerestroke or a 12V Cummins Dodge 1 ton SRW regular cab equipped with a manual transmission to pick up as a project truck. I've got some rented garage space now that will hold me over until my new house is built where I could store the truck while getting it right, so I'm on the prowl. It would be a work truck only, but I'm starting to think that until the EPA gets its nose out of the pickup truck diesel world that the pre emissions diesels are the way to go for the next 8-10 years.
 
   / New Ford Superduty owners beware (diesels) #88  
Passenger side ones on mine are rotted off..A V10 in and E450...Not a fun fix.

nope.

Lots of cursing, right angle drills and grinders.

Not looking forward to it
 
   / New Ford Superduty owners beware (diesels) #89  
A recall is only issued for safety issues, luckily all Ford's engine problems aren't a safety problem just a pride killer...
They have the option to fix non-safety problems and manufacturers sometimes do this, essentially based on their cost / benefit analysis.

Some actuary at Ford (or GM, whoever) sits down and goes, hrm, this HPFP is failing a lot more than we thought, it's costing us some warranty repairs, and probably losing for life some number of customers we've denied warranty coverage to when maybe it's questionable, and then they have settled some civil suits over this too (if you believe what a few owners say on forums.) So they go, well, the cost in lost reputation / future sales is X, the cost of warranty repairs is Y, the litigation and settlements cost Z, now what is more, X+Y+Z or the cost to replace the HPFP with a different design, upgrade the water separator, or whatever the fix might be?

Also keep in mind they might still be in denial, maybe diamondpilot is right and these stories are exaggerated, and maybe Ford, Bosch, and Motorcraft (?) have not put their heads together and figured out what they would even do if they decided to pro-actively replace parts to prevent more failures.

It is a "Ford engine" with a Bosch fuel system and there is bound to be disagreement about if there even is a design flaw / more failures than can really be accounted for by bad fuel, and if so, which party is at fault and what is the most cost-effective way to fix it, in future model years and maybe on already sold trucks.

Duramax is not really a "GM engine" either, of course. It is a joint effort by GM and Izuzu and Bosch supplies, you guessed it, the fuel delivery parts. So I am not meaning to take anything away from Ford by saying "Ford engine" is not correct; rather make the point that Ford suppliers have a lot of involvement here also.
 
   / New Ford Superduty owners beware (diesels) #90  
Ill say one thing about ford and their warranty in my experience.... flat out they dont care

Be it rust, broken exhaust manifolds and studs, rear ends.. you name it.. You wont find a company that cares LESS than Ford.
 

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