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L3400 won't start - what might be wrong?
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Perhaps it is all the new tech we are trying to keep up to:laughing:

 

[Reg]

Since my Mitsubishi made Cub Cadet 72** series died and I went looking for my next tractor, I've seen a lot of brand name shell games. Turns out my particular Cub Cadet had previously been a Case IH 1140, and later, a Mahindra 2816. Take every brand name you can think of and run it through Wikipedia. Great place to get the histories.

With 40 hours on my 2010 LS R4010 in the first four weeks, I'm seeing things to like and not like. I can't imagine any machine being perfect for everyone and every application. Overall, glad to have what I have, so far.

I did that exercise with a different twist a couple of years ago.
My interest was more; "Who actually MAKES the major parts ?", not "who assembles them for whom ?".

There are about 5 or 6 engine manufacturers, I think it was only 3 hydro transmissions, 5 gear trans, a couple or three rear axles makers, etc.
You have as good a chance with brand X, Y or Z if they go belly up and your tractor dies as you do with the "Big n" brands.
You just have to find the model numbers that they also used the same assemblies/sub-assemblies on and buy parts from whoever is still in biz (-:

Iseki, Yanmar, Cummins, Suzuki, Mitsubishi & ...I'm not remembering the other engine maker.

 

[Short Game]

This may not be the right thread, but, I would love to learn what engines would bolt up to easily replace the K3M Mitsubishi in my Cub Cadet. After 15 years of doing my own maintenance on it, I've come to think of my dead $16,000 Cub Cadet as a quarter million dollars in spare parts. Am I wrong?

Also, if anyone has a good K3M engine or block they want to get off of, I'd like to know that.

You just have to find the model numbers that they also used the same assemblies/sub-assemblies on and buy parts from whoever is still in biz (-:

It was sure interesting to learn, when I was at the end of rebuilding my front axle, that If I'd ordered Case IH parts, I'd have saved myself some money. Granted, some of the parts differed, but now I know which. They'd all originate with Mitsubishi. MTD must really have been raking it in.

 

[Reg]

This may not be the right thread, but, I would love to learn what engines would bolt up to easily replace the K3M Mitsubishi in my Cub Cadet. After 15 years of doing my own maintenance on it, I've come to think of my dead $16,000 Cub Cadet as a quarter million dollars in spare parts. Am I wrong?

Also, if anyone has a good K3M engine or block they want to get off of, I'd like to know that.



It was sure interesting to learn, when I was at the end of rebuilding my front axle, that If I'd ordered Case IH parts, I'd have saved myself some money. Granted, some of the parts differed, but now I know which. They'd all originate with Mitsubishi. MTD must really have been raking it in.

You could probably search for the engine model number and quickly come up with a "used on" list that includes marine, stationary, agricultural, passenger cars, etc.
Delete those that have not made it to where you are and start your visits to breakers' yards (-:
I would probably target marine, i.e. aux power and medium/large sailboat diesels, but I am close enough to Boston to find places.
Engine mounts could be a hurdle, but at a guess the "re-power people" have all sorts of tables for what mounts to use when replacing which engine with which other engine.
They probably have good info on bell housings too - the "engine to trans adapters".

Yeah, to build a $16K tractor TOTALLY from parts would probably cost 6 figures, that is kinda/sorta the way that breakers' yards and parts suppliers work (-:
Used vehicles can be worth more as parts than what they cost when new.

 

[Short Game]

You could probably search for the engine model number and quickly come up with a "used on" list that includes marine, stationary, agricultural, passenger cars, etc.

I would have thought I could search this out, but it's been brick walls at every turn. I have spent months looking around online. I now know that Mitsubishi had a famous airplane called the K3M. A Cub Cadet dealer mechanic called his engine guy and then called me back to tell me that my 15 year old (2000 hours) tractor was, "a paperweight." There seem to be no short blocks available. I've not turned up anything except that a used one sold on Ebay a long time ago, and I think I learned that at this forum.

 

[Reg]

I would have thought I could search this out, but it's been brick walls at every turn. I have spent months looking around online. I now know that Mitsubishi had a famous airplane called the K3M. A Cub Cadet dealer mechanic called his engine guy and then called me back to tell me that my 15 year old (2000 hours) tractor was, "a paperweight." There seem to be no short blocks available. I've not turned up anything except that a used one sold on Ebay a long time ago, and I think I learned that at this forum.

Maybe here ?;
West Kentucky Tractor Parts - Kevil, Kentucky

 

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Maybe here ?;
West Kentucky Tractor Parts - Kevil, Kentucky

I've been there. Not an easy place to search for what I want, and 2000 miles away.

Upon searching today, I found that Mahindra 3015s are supposed to have a K3M D (90.1 cu. in. -- that's the right displacement). Found it on a British site and one in KY too. This might be the same as my K3M D14R. There is a Mitsubishi place north of me that makes rebuild kits for a zillion Mits engines, and K3M searches can get me there, but while they have kits for K4Ms, the K3Ms are gone from their list, and these kits do not include blocks, just all the innards.

Like I said, I've been at this for many months. This is something that one would expect to be easy in the age of the internet. I guess I don't know the secret handshake. I would have expected to find any used engine I could think to look for. Not so.

The funny thing is, since my last post, that very post showed up at the top of my search. How's that for chasing my own tail?

 

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Just a couple of thoughts as to some of the posts that have been made...

The local NH dealer here has the new boomer models in stock while right down the road the another dealer has the LS models...

I've not priced the units but my NH salesman told me that their pricing was not competitive with the LS models 1 mile down the road...

Personally, I don't see how this particular dealer will be able to compete with the LS models down the street if they are in fact lower priced for essentially the same units...

The comment about the Allis Chalmers of the 80's is absolutely spot on...

My dad sold them for 30 years...

I believe that the manufacturer was Hinomoto...

Our church still uses weekly a 5020 diesel compact with over 2500 hours...

I think they went out of business because they never broke...

Phenomenal machine...

I hope that my 1720 is as good after 30 years and 2500 hours...

 

[Reg]

I've been there. Not an easy place to search for what I want, and 2000 miles away.

Upon searching today, I found that Mahindra 3015s are supposed to have a K3M D (90.1 cu. in. -- that's the right displacement). Found it on a British site and one in KY too. This might be the same as my K3M D14R. There is a Mitsubishi place north of me that makes rebuild kits for a zillion Mits engines, and K3M searches can get me there, but while they have kits for K4Ms, the K3Ms are gone from their list, and these kits do not include blocks, just all the innards.

Like I said, I've been at this for many months. This is something that one would expect to be easy in the age of the internet. I guess I don't know the secret handshake. I would have expected to find any used engine I could think to look for. Not so.

The funny thing is, since my last post, that very post showed up at the top of my search. How's that for chasing my own tail?

I have a shop manual for Kukje tractors, re-branded as Century, Branson, Zetor and John Deere perhaps others too, but I am looking just at the Mitsubishi engines section.

There is a decode for the Mitsubishi engines, they give as example:

S4L (2) 6l A
About the only thing they explain in this example is that the "S" stands for Sagamihara Machinery Works, the "4" for 4 cylinders, the "L" for the Series code - in this case a bore of 78 mm, the "(2)" for the stroke code - no code is 78.5 mm and "2" code is 92 mm, 6l is the export code (no explanation), A is the specification code (no explanation).

For these tractors they show two 3 cylinder engines; S3L-6lA and S3Ls-6lA,
1.125 and 1.318 liters respectively
68.7 and 80.4 cu in.
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From that I am guessing that the K3M is from a different plant and probably has some more letters and numbers to it.
According to this manual it is "embossed on" (translation, I think they mean "cast into") the right side of the cylinder block, near the fuel injection pump mount.

Those would probably help your search


I agree, we don't have access to ALL the assembly, sub-assembly, BoM, & "used on" information.
It probably isn't "secret", though a lot of it may just be held internally and not disclosed.

There may be information available via such registers as Thompsons - - GUESSING !!!
Some more may be available for fees ?

 

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That 80.4 cu. in. is what replaced the 90.1 inch K3M. They discontinued the 27 HP K3M with 90.1 cu. in. after the '96 MTD Cub Cadet 727_s and went to the S3L by '98 and squeezed 26 HP out of that much smaller mill in the 726_s. My forward frame won't bolt to that S3L. So, even if everything else is the same, which it may not be, I'd be up aganst other issues. I really would be best served if I could find a good used K3M.

Thanks for your interest and input, Reg.

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