New Holland T4.75 front hub issues

   / New Holland T4.75 front hub issues
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#11  
One thing I would add in addition to getting the nut as tight as possible is installing the seal correctly. I have replaced this particular seal in a variety of ZF, Carraro and NH Axles over the years and have yet to have one leak.
The seal is a cassette style and requires a special tool to install without damaging the case. I usually don't have the tool, so I take the old seal, place it over the new one and gently install onto the hub so as not to dent the case of the seal, otherwise it most likely will leak.
Gear oil is preferred in the axle and hubs as it is of higher viscosity that lessens leaks.

Why you are losing the sun and planet gears only is odd, but they have the least surface area of the three and highest torque.

That's good advice on installing the new seal. That is also the method we used. AS far as chewing up the gears I believe that we are not getting it tight enough. I think I will make the tool Harry in KY recommended and go from there. Thank you for your help.
 
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#12  
In my opinion (for what that's worth) you didn't get the nut near tight enough. Okay, that said, here's what I do.

When I did the first one (many years ago) I made a socket to fit the nut. I took the nut off with a hammer and punch, basically beating the snot out of it and rendering it pretty much unusable. I feel it was worth my time and effort because if you check the part number applications you find the same nut fits a multitude of different models, even far bigger tractors. It's rather crude but effective. It's basically a short length of pipe, probably about 3" diameter or so, whatever size it took that it just fits over the stake rim on the nut. Four pieces of 1/2" keystock strategically welded on so each fits into one of the four notches on the outside of the nut. Then a 3/4 drive socket welded into the other end of the pipe, and that's my tool.

Before I even begin to assemble anything I trial fit the nut onto the hub. This is provided I'm considering reusing it. What I've found is the flange that's staked into the notches in the spindle is usually so messed up after removal that it takes considerable effort to screw the nut back on. This can affect what it takes effort wise to tighten the nut, and can make the nut "feel" tighter than it is. If the nut won't thread on past the distorted flange with just minor effort I will replace it. If it's been off before and has multiple dents replace it for sure. I take a thread file and dress the threads on the spindle where the stake flange has usually done some damage on the way off. My goal is to thread the nut on by hand (or at least with reasonable effort) until it's all that way onto the threads. It doesn't always happen that way, but it's what I hope to see.

In my opinion, you can't get the nut too tight when assembling. The bearing preload is self determined by the machined surfaces and the spacer between the bearing cones. The nut has nothing to do with that. I put the new seal in the hub, put the inner bearing on until it bottoms out. slide the hub and seal on by hand as far as I can get it to go. Put the outer bearing and ring gear flange on, slowly driving it with a hammer and punch working my way around. All the while on working the hub by hand if possible. Maybe a few well placed smacks with a four pound hammer to help it on, trying not to let it cock sideways and distort the seal. Then the nut goes on. I don't know what the proper torque spec is, and have no way to measure it anyway. I put the nut on and tighten it with a 3/4 ratchet and a three foot cheater pipe. I get is as tight as it will go with all my weight on the end of the pipe. As I do that I frequently turn the hub by hand to "feel" the resistance offered by the seal and look for any increase in the drag as the nut gets to full torque. If all is well, the nut gets to where it can no longer go any more and the rolling torque of the hub doesn't change. At that point I feel I've got it done. Stake the flange, put the planetary hub on and add oil.
Thank you Harry, I think I am going to print your post and use it as a guide on making the tightening tool. There is alot to digest in your post so I wanted to say thank you and I will get back to you with a more detailed response later. Take care.
 
   / New Holland T4.75 front hub issues #13  
I'm not seeing where the nut not being tight enough can cause the gear failure. I've been into a number of units where worn or failing bearings were loose enough to take out the seal, with the hub moving from side to side, and the gears weren't damaged. I've seen some damaged gear sets, yes, but I don't think I've ever made the connection that the nut adjustment was the cause. In my experience the gears are not the weak point. If the gears are torn up it's usually because some other part failed and fragments found their way into the planetary set. Pieces from a failed snap ring, bearing roller cage, or something like that. The gears don't take kindly to foreign objects in their midst, but they don't often fail from shear strain.
 
   / New Holland T4.75 front hub issues #14  
Our county uses New Holland. County foreman told me they have ALL been back to dealer broke down with xmission problems. May be a recall issue lurking out there. Call your dealer.
 
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I'm not seeing where the nut not being tight enough can cause the gear failure. I've been into a number of units where worn or failing bearings were loose enough to take out the seal, with the hub moving from side to side, and the gears weren't damaged. I've seen some damaged gear sets, yes, but I don't think I've ever made the connection that the nut adjustment was the cause. In my experience the gears are not the weak point. If the gears are torn up it's usually because some other part failed and fragments found their way into the planetary set. Pieces from a failed snap ring, bearing roller cage, or something like that. The gears don't take kindly to foreign objects in their midst, but they don't often fail from shear strain.
 

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   / New Holland T4.75 front hub issues #16  
It looks like the nut has moved from the staked position and the space between the hub and axle is wider than normal. Is the hub loose now?

As Harry stated, getting it tight is important, but also, getting the inside bearing seated all the way is critical.
 
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It looks like the nut has moved from the staked position and the space between the hub and axle is wider than normal. Is the hub loose now?

As Harry stated, getting it tight is important, but also, getting the inside bearing seated all the way is critical.
It has a little wiggle in the hub but not to bad. The bearings were reused from previous repair. The space between the axle and the hub does tend to get wider as time goes on.

I am thinking I need to haul the tractor to the dealer and get them to repair in a shop rather than out in the field.
 
   / New Holland T4.75 front hub issues #18  
A "little wiggle in the hub" is no good. You can't run it that way or you risk more damage.

Are those photos from the first failure or the current situation?
 
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A "little wiggle in the hub" is no good. You can't run it that way or you risk more damage.

Are those photos from the first failure or the current situation?
I had a similar failure last September (2023) while chiseling my 25 acre field. The sun drive was ground flat, I put the tractor in 2wd, quit chiseling, and just started planting (no need for 4WD). Finally got it repaired in February due to parts and mechanic delays. The first pictures in this post are from 1 week ago.

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I have included below the first round of repairs back in September 2023. I knew something was wrong but I needed to get the hay field planted. Rain is difficult to come by.
 

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   / New Holland T4.75 front hub issues #20  
Well I must admit you've had more than your fair share of failures with that hub. I've been through a number of them and have never had repeat failures to that degree. A few problems where I didn't get the nut tight enough, but none resulted in any gear failures.

In the case of the photos just posted the axle half shaft (at least) had to be replaced, meaning the spindle housing was removed. Are you fairly confident that was installed correctly and the trunnion bearings were properly shim adjusted? That's a long shot, but I can imagine a possible issue there.
 

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