New Holland warning

   / New Holland warning #21  
I think Deere needs to send a letter to their dealers telling them that they need to immediately implement an Internet-only sales practice /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif It seems that their whole strategy is based on "no human contact allowed".
 
   / New Holland warning #22  
Internet sales for Deere would certainly increase the convenience of buying their products. And "interacting" with that electronic shopping cart would be darn-right homey compared to the warm and fuzzy feeling I got at the local JD store. I mean I've dated a few girls that were, shall we say FRIGID, but the JD store must have trained them in being offputting and antisocial.
 
   / New Holland warning #23  
Since you brought up the other gender, maybe JD just likes using the "hard to get" sales technique /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif I have the same problem in my area, which is why I'm a NH guy now. I might put up with such abuse in some areas of my life (read "wife"), but not with my tractor!
 
   / New Holland warning #24  
Absolutely positive. I have been denied prices at several dealers who asked my address before pricing. They told me in a very friendly manner to visit the local dealer and gave me the local salesmans first name.

If I can get a price out of a dealer before they ask where I live, it is always list price and they say, we can do better but we'll have to sit down and look it over with more information.

This has been tried at 9 dealers so far. The best I was able to get for bending the rules was my girlfriends fathers woodlot fell inside a sales area and the dealer said he could sell it to me if the delivery location was the woodlot.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( are you positive about that? We have "areas" as well, but there is nothing to stop us from stepping outside our territory.



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   / New Holland warning #25  
You know, I hear a lot of stories about JD dealers, but I went to four in my area and all were very very eager to help, to price things out, and to sit me on one and have me drive it around. Admitedly, one was looking to make some extra profit off me, but they certainly didn't ignore me. For me the obnoxious ones (when I could finally get their attention) were the NH dealer. Kubota dealer was eager, but completely ignorant of his product and the competition. Just depends on where you are. Luck of the draw, so to speak.

Cliff
 
   / New Holland warning #26  
I checked out three JD dealears and was really interested in a 2210, 41xx tractor, but there pricing was so high at the first I went to a second. His pricing was even higher so I went to a third one. His was even worse. The only issue I had was the first dealer was comissioned based. He must of mentioned it 20 times that if I bought to make sure to mention or buy it from him. Was a bit annoying after the first 5 or so times of hearing it.

Luckily my local NH dealer is decent, just expensive. The next nearest NH dealer is horrible.

I wish Spencer200 was closer, I would buy a bridge from him. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I hope NH doesn't stimy competition too much.
 
   / New Holland warning #27  
Welocme to the world of technology. If NH is crazy enough not to allow dealers or join those that are arleady using the internet then they are cutting off sales big time. In these times the internet is moving an improving sales and if they look at those that already are doing this bet they'll see who's selling tractors and who's not. What NH can do to help those who don't have internet stores is use there site as they are now as a way for buyers to contact local dealers via there site and setup contacting the local dealers and allowing them to use emails or even special pages possibly to offer like monthly specials. The future is here and the internet is coming as a means of sales for everything and if NH wants to kill sales and jobs for everyone who works, builds or sells on NH then to me I might need to look at other tractors. I've been looking and listing to guys here and on the internet and I've decide NH is my tractoer for my next purchase and if a local dealer want to whine about not being competitive then he needs to get onboard with the internet or he might not be around just because he can't make the sales and some who is can. After all you can buy car and trucks there and those dealers know if they don't use the internet then they are losing out and I know people local and distance that do it all the time and save money and keep going back. They still get service after the sell and to me that's where we all headed. Saving money, making happy customers and service after the sales is going to be the one who make the sales. And if the dealers want to whine about not making a sale make up the difference in great services on those who might not match the tractors price ont he internet they should still be able to match or beat the service and possibly attachments. So NH better come up with something other than letters to stop complains from whining dealers who are not on the internet and start helping them figure out how they can as if you stop those who are already then you surely will see your profits and sales go down the tube and NH and NH owners will be the one suffering as NH might not be no more. To all you NH poster let me say thanks for all the great tips and info and I hope to join you all as a NH owner soon to and if the local guys can get right then the internet dealers (provide NH don't screw with them) will be my dealers and I'll let the local guy should he choose too, be the serviceman. After all if you'll really check I'd bet what ever you buy these days is who ever has the best price is going to get the sales. Money is hard enough to make and spending it we all shop for the best price and bang for our bucks.
 
   / New Holland warning #28  
cous261 . . . I think NH is actually late to the party in trying to cut back on dealers who use the internet. Kioti dealers used to regularily price tractors on their websites and offer to ship tractors, now they require you to email or call to get prices. Kubota cracked down a while ago. Not sure about JD, I've only seen a couple cases of them with prices on the internet, but they may have been quoting "list" prices, I never checked them against the list prices on the JD website.
 
   / New Holland warning #29  
The issue isn't as simple as not wanting Internet sales or just reacting to the whining of dealers, although these might be 2 of the reasons for the letter from NH. For a dealer, any brand, to stay in business it takes the profits from both sales and service.

The ultimate, logical result of allowing Internet sales is the dealers with the lowest cost of selling would get all the business, leaving the local dealer, both good and bad dealers, probably out of business or trying to survive only on the service side of their business.

Want to see a certain tractor model before you buy, too bad, no local dealer that sells them.
Want to test drive a tractor before you buy, too bad, no local dealer.
Want to try a tractor out on your property, too bad, no local dealer.
Want to trade in your current tractor, too bad, no local dealer to buy it.

I am not defending what NH told their dealers or defending poor local dealers, who 'force' people to long distance purchases. (Like Bob, I think the Kubota policy makes the most sense...making the selling dealer responsible for the entire sale, from start to delivery.) Rather, I'm just pondering a 'what if', 'what if' all sales were over the Internet. Given the business I am in (IT), I am always thinking through what the logical consequences of a change might be and trying to anticipate the unintended consequences.

It's one thing to sell items over the Internet that require none, or very little, pre- or post-sale support like supplies. It's another thing to introduce Internet sales into an environment where there's a need for both of these as well as into an environment containing an established method (your local dealer) for delivering both.
 
   / New Holland warning #30  
I think competition is healthy for buyers and sellers alike. When I was shopping for my New Holland I got a good price from an Internet dealer first. But I also learned a very valuable lesson with my last tractor (Chinese) that no local dealer wanted to touch for service.

Anyway I used the Internet price for a starting point when I went shopping my local dealers. I did end up buying local, I saved some $$$$ by doing my homework up front, and I now have a local dealer who takes care of my service issues without my worry.

I honestly don't think that I could have cut the same deal without the leverage of the Internet price that I got up-front.
 

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