New Kioti CK2610 HST- A few problems

[danny77]

Hi Guys,

Just got a new CK2610 HST delivered yesterday. It seems like a really solidy built tractor- awesome fit and finish, but I've already got a few problems.

1. When the driver dropped off the tractor he said that the gear range selector was sticky but that it would loosen up as I used it more. I didn't know enough to question him more on that at the time. At any rate, in the two hours I've used the tractor it's extremely difficult to get it to go into L, M, or H a lot of the time. I studied the posts on this and it seems to be a problem other owners experience. As per some of the posts I read on this forum, I tried simultaneously playing with the clutch pedal and the forward and back foot pedals, while laying moderate, but steady pressure on the gear range selector and, for the 6 or so times I tried it, it seemed to work. Playing with those pedals seemed to momentarily free things up in the gear range selector such that I was able to slip it into the desired range.

So should I be happy with this? Is it just the way these tractors are or should I be trying to get Kioti to fix it?

2. After about 2 hours of use (4.5 hours total on it now), I noticed a few dribbles, small streams of hydraulic fluid coming out of the bottom of the bucket hydraulic ram (right where the shiny metal piston goes in to the housing). I don't think that I could have done anything to damage it. I used it very lightly, just trying to get the feel of operating the tractor.

I'm not familier with hydraulics, but I'm assuming that this is not normal. I'm going to contact the dealer about it tomorrow.

So that's my first Kioti experience- not a great start, but hopefully I can get this sorted out and don't have any more problems for a long time.

 

[JoelD]

Hi

No fluid leak is acceptable

Call dealer and have repaired

Is there any scoring on the cyl? Maybe as simple as a seal has rolled over on itself.

If you did not overfill bucket and have rocks hit cyl then definitely not your fault

I can't speak to shifting

A new tractor should shift like butter in my opinion

Good luck

Joel

 

[danny77]

No, I never overfilled it, never really used it that much. I checked the cylinder and it looks like brand new (must be something going on inside the cylinder). I'm going to give the dealer a call today.

 

[bier1064]

Definitely give the dealer a call on the leak, that is not normal.

I have the same problem with the range selector and have to depress the fwd pedal slightly sometimes. I also have found that if I pull the lever handle towards me when shifting if helps.

 

[danny77]

bier1064,

I'm curious if you addressed your range selector problem to your dealer and if so what did he say?

 

[bier1064]

danny77,

I did call and they told me it was normal and to slightly depress the fwd or rev pedal.

 

[danny77]

I just spoke to the dealer. He said that the L.M.H. gear range selector issue is normal. He said to press the brake to get it to shift. I tried the brake technique several times- it seems to work if I'm on a bit of a hill and roll a bit, but doesn't work well on flat areas. Playing with it this morning, I found that if I push in on the clutch, apply medium pressure on the gear range lever, release the clutch and then press slightly on the forward pedal, that it will then allow the gear range to slide into place. It clanked a few times while doing so, but if I go easy, it doesn't seem to make any noise.

This is an annoying quality of this tractor, but I guess I still prefer this mechanical system (which I can make work), vs something that might be electric/computer controlled and when it doesn't work, it really doesn't work.

Regarding the leaking cylinder, he said that it isn't supposes to do that. He said that he rarely sees a problem with those cylinders and when he does (once a year) it's usually a piece of wood chip that got wedged in the piston and disrupted the seals. I can't see how I got a wood chip in there, but stranger things have happened- maybe just an extremely odd incident.

He said that if it broke all on it's own it's warranted. The problem for me is that he's super far away and I don't have a trailer. I'm guessing that shipping it will be really expensive (he said warranty won't cover shipping). So when I pull it off I'll see what a local shop would charge to repair it. If it's something more involved that just a seal, then I'll send the cylinder to the dealer to presumeably get it repaired under warranty.

I'll keep you guys posted.

 

[bier1064]

danny77,

If you are in CDA Idaho there is a Kioti dealer close to you in Post Falls (Jordan Sales). I would think that any Kioti dealer could do warranty work.

 

[Billrog]

How often to you change gears with an HST ? The few I've tried new could be a pain but I very seldom use anything but m so it's not a big deal. With my last tractor I doubt if I used the clutch more than 10 times in over 20 years with no ill effects or grinding. My Kioti only has 300 hrs. on it now and can go from easy to difficult to shift with no apparent reason. I notice one of my bucket cylinders had been dripping a mon. ago I cleaned up the area so I could see it was going to be warranty but hasn't leaked a drop since so guess it healed it's self ?

 

[danny77]

Billrog, I"ll probably use it in low most of the time. I was under the impression that I was supposed to return the gear selector to neutral when I was done using the tractor and then start the engine in neutral. With doing that, then I'd be constantly moving it from neutral to low and back again (that's where it often gets stuck). Do you think it's ok just to leave it in L all the time when staring and stopping it?

That's interesting what happened with you bucket cylinder. Maybe I'll just clean it up and use it for a few more weeks and see what happens. I don't think that it can cause any damage by using it with a small leak?

 

[Billrog]

Danny I think 1st gear may be the one that is the hardest to get into at times but just leaving it there is fine no need to shift it into neutral. Clean up around the cylinder and if it continues to leak or even have a drip on it have the dealer fix it. A leak will not cause any damage but nobody wants oil puddles especially with a new machine. I guess I forgot to point out when the forward reverse lever is centered the trans is in neutral.

 

[The Fred]

Mine is a gear but the range lever is a bit tricky to get into Low. The other 2 ( M,H) go in like butter. I have noticed that it doesn't need to be past the "L" mark to be engaged. In other words practice sliding it by L a few times and you will notice it just barely comes back a teeny bit toward the M and locks into place.

50 hours hasn't changed this.

Good luck, Fred

 

[JoelD]

Don't let dealer talk you out of getting your machine perfect.

You purchased new for a reason

You should be able to easily see if wood chip is wedged in seal

I've never seen anything other than piston scoring cause a leak

Sounds like poorly seated seal

Joel

 

[Alien]

To change gears easily,
Stop the tractor.
Rock the fwd/rev pedal backwards and forwards a couple of times. Then you will find it is easy to shift. Sometimes you can actually feel it 'unload'.

I had the problem when I bought my CK30 and no-one could tell me how to fix it. I discovered it myself accidentally and it has never been a problem since.
If you are on a hill then it can still stick as it has pressure on the gear you are in.

 

[Billrog]

On a hill go a few feet in the oposit direct to unload the gears. Since this thread I started paying attention to how mine shifted and shifted a doz. or so times by coming to a stop and just shifting not using the clutch went smooth and no grinding.I'm not recommending this but it works for me.

 

[danny77]

This is all great advice on the gear range shifting. I've got ten hours on the tractor now and am getting much better at shifting it. I have only been doing actual work with the tractor in low, but just for practice have have been shifting into different ranges every once in a while. Now that I've worked out a technique (giving it a little hst pedal while I push on the range lever till it slips in), it seems to work pretty alright.

Alien, I'll try working the hst pedals forward and back and see how that works. It sounds like there are several different techniques that work. I'm just surprised that my owners manual didn't address this. I imagine there must be a lot of new owners frustrated by this until they figure it out.

Regarding the leaking cylinder, I pulled it off and mailed it into a dealer for repair. So now I'll be without use of the tractor for a bit. Can't wait to get it back together and play with it again.

 

[mulespb]

Hi danny77: You shouldn't have a leak of any kind with a new tractor, and even a 5-6 year old one shouldn't either, in my opinion. I've had several little problems with my RX6010C that cause me to wish I would've spent the extra money on a Kubota. I own a 2008 Kubota L3400HST and it's been absolutely flawless. and you shouldn't have to put the tractor is Neutral when shut down.....I never do. That's the problem with a product no matter the warranty......the dealer (or factory) will not do anything to help you unless its broken. And, even then, they'll try to tell you that you did something wrong. When you buy a Kubota, you don't need the warranty.....it'll never go back. PS: I'm just a farmer, don't sell anything, I've got a 2008 Kubota L3400 HST; a 2012 Kioti RX6010C; and a 2003 Farmtrac 435,

 

[DK35vince]

Hi danny77: You shouldn't have a leak of any kind with a new tractor, and even a 5-6 year old one shouldn't either, in my opinion. I've had several little problems with my RX6010C that cause me to wish I would've spent the extra money on a Kubota. I own a 2008 Kubota L3400HST and it's been absolutely flawless. and you shouldn't have to put the tractor is Neutral when shut down.....I never do. That's the problem with a product no matter the warranty......the dealer (or factory) will not do anything to help you unless its broken. And, even then, they'll try to tell you that you did something wrong. When you buy a Kubota, you don't need the warranty.....it'll never go back. PS: I'm just a farmer, don't sell anything, I've got a 2008 Kubota L3400 HST; a 2012 Kioti RX6010C; and a 2003 Farmtrac 435,

My 2001 DK 35 has never been back to the dealer.
15 years, 2000+ hours and never gives me any problems.

 

[orangetree]

I have the same problem with the range selector and have to depress the fwd pedal slightly sometimes. I also have found that if I pull the lever handle towards me when shifting if helps.

New ck2610, about 15 hours so far. Same problem: very difficult to get into gear from neutral. For me, from neutral to Low succeeds about 1/3 of the time; into Mid or High, almost never without some "pumping". I have been doing this by:

1. start in neutral
2. depress clutch; cannot push into gear
3. release and fully depress clutch again
4. press & release hst forward
5. depress clutch and attempt shift again
6. repeat 1-4 times (typically one for Low, 3-4+ for mid)

Could you clarify what you mean - are you giving it some HST forward while having the clutch depressed and giving the lever pressure?

I don't understand the transmission internals - is there any danger of damaging anything doing this? Seems like your trying to make the gears mesh while they are being actively driven, recipe for grinding / long term excessive wear (??)

<Old thread, but thought i'd post here before asking the exact same question>

 

[Robin Veerman]

It seems to help if the tractor is at a low idle too, along with suggestions in post #14