New low sulfur fuels

   / New low sulfur fuels #31  
I tried not to do this but the devil and the klingons made me. It's 1965 and the sky is falling all of our engines are going to go belly up because the government is making us buy unleaded gas. I actually think my ford F250 runs better with the new ultra low diesel.

'65 ?
That was when we HAD TO put STP in just about everything - I think.
Then there was something else we were supposed to add so we could take the engine out, put it in a test rig in the front yard, invite the neighbors around to see how long it would run after the drain plug was taken out the oil pan - forgot what that magic additive was, or why I would ever want to do that in front of the house.

Sobriety time guys.
The US has had the highest sulphur (sulfur) content for a VERY long time, BUT (but, but, but) the SAME engines have been running on the equivalent of ULSD for DECADES in other parts of the world.
WITHOUT all these imagined "problems".
 
   / New low sulfur fuels #32  
1*I used to think the same thing. But now we're told that lower sulpher means lower lubricity and off road fuels are currently exempt.

2*It's always been my understanding that "off road" diesel differed from road diesel only in that it has a dye added to distinguish it, since it is exempt from road use taxes.

3*In my area both are ULSD, the on road and the red dyed off road. Has been for a while now. The only difference between the two is the dye and how much it hurts the backside. :)

1* 2* & 3*
OFF ROAD can still be LSD (up to 500 ppm) until 2010 for off road equipment and until 2012 for locomotive and marine use.
This just means they have until those dates and it's no guarantee that LSD will be available up until that time.
Nothing says they can't discontinue LSD prior to then.
It wouldn't surprise me it they aren't phasing it out or have done so already and what little is available is just the remainder of what inventory they may have had on hand.
I would not think they would want to keep right on producing LSD then be caught up with a stock pile they'd be stuck with that they couldn't get rid of because of the dead line.
I don't really believe they'd want to do that.
The on road and the off road is fast becoming the same stuff and the terms on road and off road is leaning more and more toward describing where the fuel is used rather than meaning a type of fuel .
 
   / New low sulfur fuels #33  
I used to think the same thing. But now we're told that lower sulpher means lower lubricity and off road fuels are currently exempt.

Told by WHO ?
Consider the source, consider their possible motives - e.g. to sell additives of doubtful (additional) value.

So, if I had used STP 35 years ago would I be driving a '73 Torino ?
I sincerely HOPE NOT !
 
   / New low sulfur fuels #34  
Hi Gemini, My name is Pat nice to meet you. Now you know someone who has had bad luck with a Cummins powered Dodge. The Cummins works very well indeed, always has, both before and after I changed the injector pump and injectors and put the 4 inch exhaust on it and changed the intake manifold with exhaust gas recirculating ports for one without (breathes better.) Mine is a '97, the last of the original 12 valve engines before they went computer and 24 valves. My problems are with the Dodge part of the equation and one of the many aftermarket equipment suppliers, not the wonderful B-5.9 Cummins.

Actually, often but not always, I tend to go for more complex solutions and Egon is more of a minimalist for whom less is more (more better, that is.) He makes specious claims of poverty being the motivation for simplicity while those of us who know him better, in fact, know better. He is the Henry David Thoreau of things mechanical. If I needed to work out a simple and cost effective alternative to a "standard" engineering solution, Egon would be one of the early picks for staffing my team.

Now about my '97 Dodge... It is the first non-Ford truck I ever owned. I liked it immensely but it breaks. The Cummins twisted off the input shaft to the tranny. The passenger roll up window leaks air noisily above about 60-65 MPH, especially if you have the fan pushing air into the cab. The sliding back glass whistles with air leaks at any fan setting above the slowest. The radio volume control got less and less effective and basically quit. The original battery had a temp sensor so they could regulate charge by temp and volts not just volts for a faster better charge. It leaked acic which ate the vacuum line to the cruise control. I think acid went into the cruise thingy. Anyway they replaced the battery and painted the inner fender where there was acid damage but didn't neutralize the acid that got between the inner and outer fender layers and had to take it apart again and repaint. The turbo died the first year with les than 10k miles. the Truck always pulled to the left every once in a while, sometimes hardly noticeably and sometimes you made an unexpected lane change. The dealer had no clue and wouldn't try to fix it for fear of failure and my envoking the lemon law. I wouldn't be at all interested in losing that truck as I had serously and expensively customized it but that was tthere story. I shopped for a dealer not so timid and they replaced a left front.brake caliper. I coiuld go on and on andn on but youi get the idea.

The truck has lots of faults. The dealers have more. I really do like the truck but am getting gun shy about it breaking. Last week I bought a F-250 crew cab diesel so I can choose when and for what particular tasks to use the Dodge. Among other mods it has a nice Stahl Grand Challenger service body, extra 220AH batts and is set up to carry our large Lance brand camper.

The new 3/4 ton Ford will do almost as much work carying or pulling as the 1 ton Dodge. 11K vs 10K load. The Ford is seriously quieter and gets better mileage although I don't know how it will do towing. The Dodge is happy on regular diesel or ultra low sulfur. The Ford must have ultra low sulfur (less than 15PPM) or you can void the warranty.

Pat

Hello Pat.

I am Pat also...I run a rural bus system in southern WV..I have a fleet of Fords and 24 passenger buses with the Cummins

In 92 we had the b series and the 7.3 Fords they where both great> I am still happy with the cummins with the changes through the years but the new Fords 6 litr's are trash....
I hope you have better luck the we do. They stay in the shop more then on the road. We are now buying the V10 gas engines...They seem like they are going to do good.

You better keep that Dodge around to pull that Ford to the dealer with.

Good Luck
Patrick Mckinney
 

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