New Mods to Loretta's 284 Jinma

3RRL · Feb 18, 2009

We are finally getting around to making some more improvements to Loretta's 284 Jinma.
On the list are several items which include (not necessarily in order):

-Add tool box(es) (including the ones Larry gave me a couple years ago).
-Add a Filter Minder gauge for the air filter.
-Add FEL stabilizers from the uprights to the rear end.
-Replace all the Chinese hydraulic valves with a new 4 spool Prince SV.
-Add Top and Tilt with 2 hydraulic side links and DPOCV's on all cylinders.
-Add 2 new rear remotes (replacing one that doesn't work)
-Reposition her grapple on the bucket so it will shut better and also move it forward to the tooth bar tips.
-Whatever else we can think of ... lol.

I know it's a big list and some of the mods will take a lot of time and work so it might drag out a bit. I'll use this thread to document when I get around to doing each of them and I promise not to bore you with every milling cut or every fabrication detail. I want to show you only some of the building process and of course, the results.

For example, I already got the Filter Minder installed. I must have bought it about a year ago when Larry installed the one on my Kama. It's a gauge that tells you when the air filter gets plugged up. Here is where I put the vacuum tube on the intake just before the air filter. The other photos shows the gauge mounted in her dash.
Notice she's already got 118 hours on her Jinma.
Rob-

valley · Feb 20, 2009

Rob, The one on your KAMA, has it shown yet that you need to clean or replace your filter? Can you see the vacuum increase? Richard

3RRL · Feb 21, 2009

valley said:
Rob, The one on your KAMA, has it shown yet that you need to clean or replace your filter? Can you see the vacuum increase? Richard

Hi Richard,
Yes, it's warned me already and the gauge clearly indicates restriction when the filter clogs up.
There's a blurb on it in my Log Home thread on the other forum where I tried washing out the air filter.

3RRL · Feb 21, 2009

Now that the filter minder installation is done, I started working on the grapple relocation.
The problem was the OEM bucket bowed and tore at the top corners. The grapple tips ended up too far away from the bucket bottom of the bucket. The other thing was when we made the grapple, it was designed for a bucket without a tooth bar. So the grapple jaws are a little short to reach out to the tips of the toothbar. Loretta does not move much dirt with her tractor but it's used more for brush and log moving and maybe some compost. Her key is to be able to pick up stuff clam shell style or driving into a pile/log/rock and grasping it.

I moved the grapple base about 4 or 5 inches forward.
Instead of just cutting the jaws and adding a section to them, I needed to beef up the bucket anyway so this is what I came up with. I also spent a couple hours re welding the entire bucket top lip inside and out and all the corners. But you can see what I want to do and the problem I will have since it is now cantilevered out over the top bucket lip. There are comparison photos of it's original location showing it sitting back farther and also of the teeth up from the bucket lip.

valley · Feb 21, 2009

Rob, The welds are nice to look at, good penetration. Have you made the bucket removable so you can work on it or to instal other tools? I also saw your movable thumb on another thread, great. You and Larry do some really interesting things. Richard

3RRL · Feb 21, 2009

valley said:
Rob, The welds are nice to look at, good penetration. Have you made the bucket removable so you can work on it or to instal other tools? I also saw your movable thumb on another thread, great. You and Larry do some really interesting things. Richard

Thanks Richard,
The bucket is a quick attach stock from the factory. At this time we have no other implements to swap with. I was thinking a set of forks but Loretta says she doesn't need them. I have a set ready to make up but they will go on the Kama.

You can see the problem with moving the grapple forward is that now there will be even more pressure trying to pry the bucket open. I'm going to try gusseting the inside of the bucket. Along the back side of the bucket, where the top QA hooks are, there is a 1/4" thick plate about 6" wide that runs across the entire back. I figure if I make the inner gussets heavy duty enough, and if I can attach them to that back plate, then the entire top lip would be tied into the back of the bucket.

So here's my plan.
I got some old busted up scarifier shanks that are 3/4" thick x 2-1/2" wide. (I never threw them away) Then I sawed them into a shape to fit the inside of the bucket. I had to weld some pieces together to get the shape I wanted. What they do is attach to the underside of the grapple mounting plate, to the inside of the bucket top and also to the inside of the bucket back.

Burning the weld through to the back plate took a little more heat than I thought.
When I tried to pry the grapples backward, they were pretty stiff. Before when I did they I could feel the bucket flex. Now it's better. I think it should hold the back and top together now, but of course I will test it out first.
Rob-

3RRL · Feb 21, 2009

OK, now you can see the grapple jaw tips are closer to the toothbar tips when open.
When closed they actually "interlock" with the toothbar. I believe this position will make it easier for Loretta not only to clam shell pick stuff up, but also drive into logs or rocks and the grapple jaws should snag the object. BTW, if the bucket still flexes, I will add a tube all the way across the top lip and and use angle iron at the ends to weld it to the bucket sides. I'll try this way first.
Rob-

3RRL · Feb 21, 2009

Next thing I got started on was the Top and Tilt.
I ordered a 4 spool stack valve from Surplus center with power beyond. Of course they sent me the wrong outlet section so they are shipping me the power beyond sleeve. But here is the assembly of that new valve. You lay it down on the side with the tie rod bolts sticking up and place each section in the order you want. I got 3 sections that are spring loaded returning to center and one that is detented. Then you place the "O" rings between each section and torque it up to 150 inch pounds.

shvl73 · Feb 21, 2009

Rob, you made me laugh! I also never throw out what I think I may be able to use again. The big difference here is, you turn it into something useful and professional looking.
Nice work, well done!

3RRL · Feb 21, 2009

Here is the other stuff for the project.
A hydraulic top link and two hydraulic side links. The hydraulic top link is originally off the Kama but I replaced it with a heavier larger one. So Loretta can use this one. It's from CCM and has a DPOCV that goes on it. The photo does not show it on because when I first tried it through her stock OEM rear remotes, it didn't work so I took it off. Turns out that wasn't the problem, it was the stock rear remote valve was crap. I couldn't get more than 1,100psi out of it no matter what I did to the pressure relief valve. That's one of the reasons for the new valve.

The second photo show that Loretta took all my hydraulic fittings and sorted the out for me.
She put them all organized into a rolling cart. Now I can choose from what I've collected over the years. There are all kinds of SAE, NPT, Metric and BSP fittings in there. The last photo shows what came off the tractor. Her old valves, rear remotes and hoses. The old FEL is being mailed to Mariner and the hoses to Red because they asked me for them. They are going to refund the shipping charges.

There are still hoses and fittings coming from Discount Hydraulics but they haven't arrived yet.
I'm going to use all "Re-usable" fittings on this project so I can make up my own hoses in the shop.

3RRL · Feb 21, 2009

shvl73 said:
Rob, you made me laugh! I also never throw out what I think I may be able to use again. The big difference here is, you turn it into something useful and professional looking.
Nice work, well done!

lol... that is funny...
I'm a real cheapskate when it comes to throwing stuff out. IF there's a chance I could use it for something, or IF it's big enough to be cut into some else, I save it. hahaha
You might remember I also used the other broken scarifier shanks to beef up my drag links on the Kama.

3RRL · Feb 21, 2009

Last thing I wanted was to mount DPOCV's to those side link cylinders.
You might remember I bought a bunch of them from Mark at CCM for my other projects? Well, the problem is these are Metric. The tubing is Metric and the Banjo bolts are parallel BSP. The inlet and outlet on the valve body tapered BSP ... nice. I can get adapter fittings for that stuff, but the biggest problem is they are too long for the ports on the side link cylinders I bought. There is only so much room for adjustment by shortening threads and cutting of the banjo tubes before you get into the spring loaded check valve mechanism. The last photo shows the assembly at it's shortest vs the ports on the cylinders.
I will have to think what to do about this one a little.
Rob-

3RRL · Feb 21, 2009

Well, enough about that lousy DPOCV for now, it hurts my brain.
I got to making a bracket to hold the new SV Valve. I used a bolt pattern that was on the Jinma originally for her handle and made the bracket to fit that. Oh, also painted them yellow to match her tractor.

So this is how that bracket and valve turned out mounted on her Jinma.
Now I have to wait for Surplus Center to send the Power Beyond sleeve and also for all the Discount Hydraulics fittings and hose. They should all arrive next week. It's supposed to rain again so I can work on this project and maybe the Air compressor and air lines in the shop too?
More to come later...
Rob-

valley · Feb 24, 2009

Rob, Did the parts come yet? Richard

3RRL · Feb 24, 2009

Hello Richard,
They haven't arrived yet as far as I know.
Right now I'm down in my Rancho home and won't be back up in 3R until tomorrow. I hope some are there by then. I know some of the BSP parts will be back ordered. They didn't send me a tracking number so I have no idea. On the other hand, there are other things (a lot of them) I can work on instead.

3RRL · Feb 24, 2009

I'm getting some slow response from Discount Hydraulics.
In checking my order(s) on their website, 7 pieces are on back order and the other stuff shows it has been shipped. However, I don't have any tracking information yet. I placed the original order on 2/16 and received an email on 2/17 that some parts were back ordered. Since then, the parts that were in stock supposedly have shipped. I can only guess when their stuff will arrive.
On the other hand, Surplus Center already sent me the Power Beyond sleeve and "O" ring kit. They turned that around right away. I got their stuff before I left 3R last week!

Here's the list now:
DONE-Add a Filter Minder gauge for the air filter.
DONE-Reposition grapple on the bucket so it will shut better & also move it forward to the tooth bar tips.
DONE-Replace all the Chinese hydraulic valves with a new 4 spool Prince SV.
STARTED-Add Top and Tilt with 2 hydraulic side links and DPOCV's on all cylinders.
-Add tool box(es) (including the ones Larry gave me a couple years ago).
-Add 2 new rear remotes (replacing one that doesn't work)
-Add FEL stabilizers from the uprights to the rear end.

New to the list are:
-Fill tires
-Add Cup Holder
-Add Fire Extinguisher

valley · Feb 24, 2009

Rob, That Prince spool valve: is that to operate the garpple, or the FEL also? The DPOCV: is the purpose to convert the hose thread or are they valve? Richard

EddieWalker · Feb 24, 2009

Rob,

Cool thread. It's always fun to see your projects and how you come up with ways to make your tractors better!!!

What's really impressive is how close you matched the paint for your bracket and your tractor.

Eddie

3RRL · Feb 25, 2009

Thanks Eddie!
I got lucky with the paint...
It's a spray paint can called "Marigold" that came out very close to Loretta's yellow. What's funny is that part of her tractor paint (loader) does not match other parts. It came like that from the factory! The two yellows are close enough for me though.

3RRL · Feb 25, 2009

Richard,
The Prince 4 spool valve will not operate the grapple nor the FEL.
The Prince 4 spool valve is to operate the hydraulic top link and the 2 hydraulic side links. Then one spool is left to operate rear remotes. In reality, I will plumb the 2 side links directly to the new valve. The other 2 spools will go to 2 sets of rear remotes with quick disconnects on a bulkhead. I will use one of the rear remotes mostly for her top link which leaves the remaining one open for a hydraulic attachment on the 3pt. That one is detented so we can run the log splitter off it. However, if she doesn't need the top link on, she will 2 rear remotes available.
For example, she doesn't need the top link when using the post hole digger, back hoe or dump trailer. But of course there is no hydraulic need for those implements.

The hydraulic Dump Trailer already has a single acting valve plumbed to run it. It sits on her left rear fender and I installed that one last year.