New Non-Emission Tractors

[Slowpoke Slim]

Yes. It's been very visible in air over the big population centers of California (greater SF and LA areas). The air's noticeably clearer now than it was in the '70s even though there's many more vehicles on the roads. While there are some aspects of some emissions laws that I disagree with the general effect has been positive.

Actually, according to yesterday's news, this is false.

LA's air quality is dismal and the Bay Area isn't much better, according to report - SFGate

California is STILL at the top of the list of most polluted states in this country. Makes matters worse, they can't seem to stop setting the whole **** state on fire. They put more garbage in the air in one year than all the tractors in this country could put in the air in 100 years. The rest of the country should just go in there and take the whole state away from them. They are such children.

Same thing with Canadians. Please stop setting your whole **** country on fire. The only air quality issues we ever have here are due to Canadians burning their country.

:laughing:

Yes, that was sarcasm (for the humor-clueless)

 

[ericm979]

LA and the bay area are still bad. But I did not claim that they're not. What I said is that they're better than they were, especially given the increase in population.

The insults are uncalled for.

 

[cdb2]

Except.....it's hard to argue with the FACT that the new Kubotas have nearly zero issues. The system is working inspite of all the fear mongering. Thank you George Bush for your foresight

That ignores the increased cost of R&D and equipment that rolls into a higher purchase price, and all the hidden costs associated with increased complexity, more expensive equipment that fails and needs replacing, and increased fuel consumption. Those are real issues.

 

[cdb2]

I've not been to 43 countries, only 10, but what he says is true. My wife & I went to Tahiti for a few days, and you'd think with it being an island and the sea breezes there wouldn't be any pollution. At rush hour, it's worse than Los Angeles.

I really like clean air (and water and everything else), just be careful of costs for the entire manufacturing chain, not just the end product. As much as I'm against big government interfering in our daily life, it does have it's benefits from time to time.

Except that air quality was already improving for years before the federal government got involved with regulation, and the rate of improvement stayed relatively stable. The evidence suggests that government regulation had little effect on the already ongoing improvements in air quality, apart from the ever-increasing costs it imposes.

Environmental quality follows from economic development; countries that grow wealthy tend to clean up their environmental impact even without an EPA running the show.

 

[Nikkorott]

You might want to read the article that you post.

"While ozone levels have declined 78 percent among the nine Bay Area counties in the past 20 years, they inched back up between 2015 and 2017."

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

LA and the bay area are still bad. But I did not claim that they're not. What I said is that they're better than they were, especially given the increase in population.

The insults are uncalled for.

If you took it as an insult, then you need to work on your sense of humor.

It was actually a phrase I borrowed from a movie called Blazing Saddles. Don't know if you've ever seen it, but it's funny. Back when people were allowed to be funny. And back when people actually had senses of humor, and didn't just get offended by every-little-thing in the world.

Here is the actual quote:



Hedley Lamarr: If you will just sign this, Governor. Right here.

Governor Lepetomane: Yes, yes. What the **** is it?

Hedley Lamarr: Well, under the provisions of this bill, we would snatch two hundred thousand acres of Indian land, which we have deemed unsuitable for their use at this time. They're such children.

Governor Lepetomane: Two hundred thousand acres? Two hundred thousand acres? What'll it cost, man, what'll it cost?

Hedley Lamarr: [brings out a carton of paddleballs] A box of these.

Governor Lepetomane: Are you crazy? They'll never go for it. And then again they might. Those little red devils... they love toys!


And an interview that Mel Brooks a couple years back about how the perpetually offended have made comedy virtually impossible:

Mel Brooks warns 'politically correct society is the death of comedy' | The Independent

So, to borrow another quote, from another comedy:

"Lighten up Francis."

(Guess that movie)

 

[Rmart30]

That ignores the increased cost of R&D and equipment that rolls into a higher purchase price, and all the hidden costs associated with increased complexity, more expensive equipment that fails and needs replacing, and increased fuel consumption. Those are real issues.

yes they are and the tractor world will start to realize this in the next 5-10 years when most of these "hobby tractor" guys who put less than 50 hrs a year on their tractors and are praising this garbage start seeing tractors in the 3000 hr + range and the problems that come with them. Those of us who work on this type of stuff day in and day out know what we are seeing and its associated costs.
You can write this on the wall. 10 years from now half these guys saying "nothing wrong with these new emissions tractors. Mines doing just fine." Will be cussing them by then. Let a few of yall throw $2500+ on a new DPF filter for your tractor and your tune will be changing. id be willing to bet that there are Fords, Massey, and Deeres from the early 70's still running today, (that excluding regular maintenance items, belts,hoses, tires, oil and filters) havent had $2500 in repairs done to them since brand new.

The guys here with older tractors without all the emissions garbage saying oh its good for the environment and we need them to save it and this is good for us dont mean it and I can prove that of 99% of them.

 

[Trillium Farm]

Lately I have been seeing all kinds of adds in magazines and the farming channels on TV and Sirius Radio for these tractors like Zetor and some other Russian brand advertising they are tier 3 with no emissions BS and no electronics.
How are they allowed to sell NEW tractors with no emissions systems in the USA and Canada while all the other brands are forced to sell us junk?
Is it something like what the big truck manufacturers had for a while when this first started.......using emissions credits to build non-compliant engines until those credits ran out?

Zetor & MTZ (Belarus) are able to do this because they fall under a clause for tractors sold below a certain number of units. Can't remember the whole clause. As their sales ramp-up they too will have to conform.

 

[Grateful11]

And then there are the electric cars that are supposed to be so good for the environment. Ever wonder where all that "clean" electricity comes from? Lithium is mined in very few places in the world and none in the US. So, ore is shipped half way around the world for refining, then again to make the batteries, then more shipping for distribution. In the mean time where does the electricity come from to recharge the batteries? Just plug it into the wall - right? The power plant typically burns coal, coal has to be shipped as well. Or maybe nuclear reactor for electricity? Or hydro, but how did the dam get built? And what about the electric distribution grid?

My point is that in determining the level of pollution, one has to consider the entire chain of manufacturing, not just the end point which is what is typically done.

The US used to supply most of the worlds Lithium. Looks like they're going to start it back up in NC.

Company plans to open lithium mine in Gaston County NC | Charlotte Observer

 

[oosik]

There was just a one hour program on the Science Channel about mining lithium. I was surprised at the number of processes required to get it to the "pellet state". Aluminum processing is simplistic compared to lithium.

A whole lot of folks are completely clueless about this "non-emission" stuff. Either that or it is PC to be in favor of this stuff. I just waiting for the "BEEG STUDY" that shows the total emission load from the non- emission crap.