New shooting deck

[hunt4570]

Have you ever used the simsion black bolts instead of carriage bolts they are a lot faster and simsion say they are equal to carriage bolts in strength. Simsion Headlock they are called . I think a carriage bolt I definitely stronger the headlocks are just faster. are the carriage bolts you are using galvanized or zinc the galvanized hot dipped are usually used in exterior work and zinc in interior work. Nice to see someone take the time to let in the rim joist add lots of strength.:thumbsup:Excellent work . We do you want me there with the beer and tannerite.

I have not used those and regardless what they say I cant believe they are as strong as a half inch through bolt. I am using the zink plated ones, I know they say to use the galvanized ones outside but I've never had a problem using the zink jobs. No way would I do a job like this without letting in those rim joists, they need to do more than just hang on hardware, freaks me out a little when I see a deck or structure built that way!

Beer and tannerite huh? When can you be here?:laughing:

Tannerite is a bit expensive, I make my own, lots cheaper.. I buy the Ammonium nitrate by the 50 pound box, and amazon ships it right to my door.!!

 

[hunt4570]

Ok, got the base structure done







How bout a little decking..



And one of my little shooting benches to verify rail height.

 

[Loaderman22]

I have not used those and regardless what they say I cant believe they are as strong as a half inch through bolt. I am using the zink plated ones, I know they say to use the galvanized ones outside but I've never had a problem using the zink jobs. No way would I do a job like this without letting in those rim joists, they need to do more than just hang on hardware, freaks me out a little when I see a deck or structure built that way!

Beer and tannerite huh? When can you be here?:laughing:

Tannerite is a bit expensive, I make my own, lots cheaper.. I buy the Ammonium nitrate by the 50 pound box, and amazon ships it right to my door.!!

Funny. Up here if a building inspector saw the rim joists let in like that, they'd make you tear it down and start over. I'm not saying it's right, nor am I saying that you are getting or need to get this inspected, I'm just stating the code. Too many people were doing 2 story decks with 4x4 posts and letting in the rim joists leaving only 2" square of wood left. 5 people lean on that upper railing and they find themselves on the ground in a pile of hurt. Plus, in case of fire that 2" burns through a lot faster than all 3.5" so the deck doesn't fall off the house immediately hopefully leaving a path of escape. All connections like that need to have the proper corner brackets and joist hangers plus bolts. BTW I'm not knocking the technique, I think it's a great look, super strong when done correctly, just throwing out a tidbit about our code here. & Yes those Simpson lok screws are ridiculously strong, better steel, better manufacturing and no pre-drilling.

 

[hunt4570]

Funny. Up here if a building inspector saw the rim joists let in like that, they'd make you tear it down and start over. I'm not saying it's right, nor am I saying that you are getting or need to get this inspected, I'm just stating the code. Too many people were doing 2 story decks with 4x4 posts and letting in the rim joists leaving only 2" square of wood left. 5 people lean on that upper railing and they find themselves on the ground in a pile of hurt. Plus, in case of fire that 2" burns through a lot faster than all 3.5" so the deck doesn't fall off the house immediately hopefully leaving a path of escape. All connections like that need to have the proper corner brackets and joist hangers plus bolts. BTW I'm not knocking the technique, I think it's a great look, super strong when done correctly, just throwing out a tidbit about our code here. & Yes those Simpson lok screws are ridiculously strong, better steel, better manufacturing and no pre-drilling.

Well I cut all those posts, and they are 6 1/4x 6 1/4 so even after I let them in an inch and a quarter I still have a minimum of a 5x5 posts on the corners, and 5x6 in the middle posts. I've dealt with building inspectors in I believe 6 states now and have never had a problem with doing it correctly like this. And no, I'd not let in, or even use, a 4x4 post for this kind of structure!
So how do they have you build them in NY??

 

[Loaderman22]

Well I cut all those posts, and they are 6 1/4x 6 1/4 so even after I let them in an inch and a quarter I still have a minimum of a 5x5 posts on the corners, and 5x6 in the middle posts. I've dealt with building inspectors in I believe 6 states now and have never had a problem with doing it correctly like this. And no, I'd not let in, or even use, a 4x4 post for this kind of structure!
So how do they have you build them in NY??

Please don't think I was attacking your method. I like the method, in fact my front deck is framed that exact way. I was just simply stating our code and how ridiculous it is. They want Simpson or equal corner brackets that go on the inside and get bolted through the posts & rims. So the rim is outboard of the post. Then all joists and rafters have to have hangers, especially with pressure treated since most guys don't swap the nails to stainless or hot dipped galvanized in the nail guns, so regular nails rot through in a couple of years. Also all framing nails have to be full headed, none of that clipped nail business. Also some of the PT decks that were built 8-10 years ago when we switched over to "ACQ" preservative are rotting away now if there wasn't good airflow. It's as if they weren't even treated.

 

[hunt4570]

Please don't think I was attacking your method. I like the method, in fact my front deck is framed that exact way. I was just simply stating our code and how ridiculous it is. They want Simpson or equal corner brackets that go on the inside and get bolted through the posts & rims. So the rim is outboard of the post. Then all joists and rafters have to have hangers, especially with pressure treated since most guys don't swap the nails to stainless or hot dipped galvanized in the nail guns, so regular nails rot through in a couple of years. Also all framing nails have to be full headed, none of that clipped nail business. Also some of the PT decks that were built 8-10 years ago when we switched over to "ACQ" preservative are rotting away now if there wasn't good airflow. It's as if they weren't even treated.

Interesting, I would never build with the joists outboard of the posts! All my joists get hangars , rafters get hurricane ties (need em here). All my exterior nail gun nails are galvanized AND clipped headed, they work just perfect. Your code does seem a bit ridiculous!! Glad I don't live in NY I guess, but with your gun laws that wouldn't be an option anyway!

I used to reside (didn't consider it living) in colorado the county I was in had some ridiculous codes also, most were aimed at squeezing money out of people though.

 

[Oldpath05]

Quite the elaborate shooting deck you have it strong enough a drive tractor on, can we say over kill.............:umbrella-guy:

 

[/pine]

O/T...There's an old and enduring saying in the South... "We don't give a **** how you do it up north"...

Growing up in FL (circa early to later '1960's') nothing made the reputation of general residential construction get a poor reputation than the influx of northern people coming down and calling themselves "builders"...what a joke...on top of that they were mostly all horrible drivers...!...just saying...!

 

[hunt4570]

Quite the elaborate shooting deck you have it strong enough a drive tractor on, can we say over kill.............:umbrella-guy:

Wait till you see the second floor! And everything I build is meant to last!

 

[spitter]

Better start polishing up the shooten irons.:drink: