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   / New to forum and new to large tractors #31  
My dad's old 3616 didn't stop well either. None of those older backhoe units stop well. The dry brakes on them were not the best and most of them have not been replaced. Our neighbor has an older 555 and it is the same way. Just go slow and be careful. I am not a mechanic but replacing those brakes will require a lot of work. Here is a video of a Case 580B. I don't know if the International is the same or not.

Replace brakes on case 58b backhoe October 211 - YouTube
 
   / New to forum and new to large tractors #32  
More than likely, the seal is out of the bull pinion shaft bearing/seal housing. It depends on how hard it is to get the brake chambers. If you can access them by removing the foot beards, then it may not be too bad. But, only do one side at a time, if it is like a Case, otherwise, it will let internal parts drop. If it is like other IH brake chambers, 5 bolts should be all that holding it to the diffy, once the pedal linkage is removed.

The hard part is installing the new seals, without inverting the lip. Easy enough to do, with a trick I learned from a retired mechanic on another forum site. The bull pinion shaft the brake discs ride on are splined, and have sharp edges. Once it is cleaned up, and ready to re-assemble, simply wrap the shaft with electrical tape, starting from the inside out. Start where the shaft is smooth, just beyond the splines, where the seal rides. Wrap outwards, making sure there are no wrinkles. Wrap beyond the end of the shaft, leaving a tail/handle. Then put a coat of 90wt, or what ever oil is used in the diffy for lube. Then carefully slide the seal in, and tap in place. Being it's wrapped from inside out, there are no edges for the lip of the seal to catch on, and basically jumps over the edges of the tape. Once you are done, grab the tail on the tape, and it will spiral right off.

You may need to drain the diffy, before removing the bolts holding the brake chamber on. If it is like the Case, the bottom holes go clear through, and will let fluid out.

I'm pretty sure those rear ends were also used on Ag style tractors, but not sure which. Maybe someone else will pipe up, and know. But, it shouldn't be too hard to find out, doing a net search.
 
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#33  
Got the owners manual finally and found out the brakes are WAY out of adj. Should be adj at 1 3/4 in ravel and I'm sure it's way over 2 1/2 inches so any mechanical advantage the linkage is suppose to add is wiped out but the position of the lever.
 
   / New to forum and new to large tractors #34  
I hope that does the trick. But just so you know, that is a 2 disc, disc brake system, with a center expander. It takes very little to activate them, and when working properly, work well.

A drop of 90wt. hanging on the bottom side of the brake chamber is a tell tale sign, the bull pinion seals are leaking, and have the disc's soaked.
 
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Having problems with the starter which was rebuilt last May. Tractor has been dead for at least 3 months now and will not turn over. I've charged the battery up plus ran jumper cables from my truck and while the solenoid engages it will not crank the engine. Ever since I installed the rebuilt tart when I go to crank the engine over the only way to stop it was to disconnect the battery unless the engine started then no problem. What will get damaged if the starter cranks too long.
 
   / New to forum and new to large tractors #36  
IH and CASE are nowhere near alike!--- I have 580 ck backhoe/loader . You have an IH.---If you run the starter too long , more than a few seconds, you take the chance of burning it out, then you can go get another starter.---You have a major electrical circuit problem that needs to be fixed before you go any further, and possibly damage something very expensive.
Start out making sure all of your main cables are good, might be wise to put on new ones, so you have good ground and full amperage to the sol. thanks; sonny580
 
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Found out that the guy who rebuilt the starter used cheap chinese knock off parts that had failed. Got it rebuilt by a shop in Yucca valley and man does it work much better than the when the starter was rebuilt the first time. Does anybody happen to know what amp hours the original battery is for the IH 3444?
 

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