Soundguy
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I'm merely using the small 18" drawbar as an example.. it's cat 0 sized.. but cat 1 spec'ed.
Just because your opinion does not match my opinion does not make my opinion wrong...it means we disagree.
As for 2 machines having different ranges of motion.. I see that as one have a more utilitariand design.. I don't see a tangible downside to that either.
Why you simply can't debate like an adult and leave the personal remarks out is beyond me. There is no where in this conversation for telling someone they have 'no sense'.. because they watn .. or MAY want.. or 'simply 'COULD' hook up a small implement to one machine.. compaired to another.
if I were buying a new cat 2 tractor today.. and i had brand A and brand B in front of me.. both otherwise identical down to price, dealer, financing, options i wanted.. fuel usage.. etc.. both otherwise 100% equal.. and then the salesman said.. well brand A can hook to any cat 0, 1, or 2 implemnt that you would like to drag behind it.. Brand B can hook to any Cat1 or 2 implement.. yada.. yada.. Seems to me there is a , albiet small, choice that can be made... that could sway the deal... Brand B has 'X' degree range of motion on the lift arms... and brand A has "X+1" degree range of motion.. etc.. It all comes down to numbers at that point.
I'm not trying to prove that your opinion is wrong.. I'm just trying to show that there can be many non-exclusive opinions on the subject.
On second though.. this has gone on way to far.. I must be a glutton for punishment to debate you.... It's widely known here that you only respect your own opinion anyway...
As of this post.. I'm throwing in the towel on this discussionwith respect to any of your direct replies or comments . If you take that as a win.. go for it.. It's not worth my time trying to defend an opinion to someone that is totally unwilling to give any credit to anyone else's words.. other than their own.
soundguy
Just because your opinion does not match my opinion does not make my opinion wrong...it means we disagree.
As for 2 machines having different ranges of motion.. I see that as one have a more utilitariand design.. I don't see a tangible downside to that either.
Why you simply can't debate like an adult and leave the personal remarks out is beyond me. There is no where in this conversation for telling someone they have 'no sense'.. because they watn .. or MAY want.. or 'simply 'COULD' hook up a small implement to one machine.. compaired to another.
if I were buying a new cat 2 tractor today.. and i had brand A and brand B in front of me.. both otherwise identical down to price, dealer, financing, options i wanted.. fuel usage.. etc.. both otherwise 100% equal.. and then the salesman said.. well brand A can hook to any cat 0, 1, or 2 implemnt that you would like to drag behind it.. Brand B can hook to any Cat1 or 2 implement.. yada.. yada.. Seems to me there is a , albiet small, choice that can be made... that could sway the deal... Brand B has 'X' degree range of motion on the lift arms... and brand A has "X+1" degree range of motion.. etc.. It all comes down to numbers at that point.
I'm not trying to prove that your opinion is wrong.. I'm just trying to show that there can be many non-exclusive opinions on the subject.
On second though.. this has gone on way to far.. I must be a glutton for punishment to debate you.... It's widely known here that you only respect your own opinion anyway...
As of this post.. I'm throwing in the towel on this discussionwith respect to any of your direct replies or comments . If you take that as a win.. go for it.. It's not worth my time trying to defend an opinion to someone that is totally unwilling to give any credit to anyone else's words.. other than their own.
soundguy
Farmwithjunk said:You may well see Grossly undersized as an arbitrary term, but using a drawbar intended for a 20 hp or smaller tractor on a 50 hp or larger tractor is, well, grossly undersized.
"Sour grapes" as per fable? That's laughable... And why would I even want to hook a toy-like CAT 0 implement to a 60 hp tractor. SOME of us have more sense than that.
I'm sure John Deere's design engineers are quaking in their boots now that you've declared their hitch system undesirable. Why, I bet they recall and scrap the millions of tractors they,ve built just because you don't "applaud" them.
Probably the most successful and popular modern "big tractor" ever produced is the John Deere 4020. The 3-point hitch on all 4020's has the same sway block stabilization I described. So, maybe a few hundred thousand farmers don't know squat and should look to you for enlightenment?