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Some of my friends have vowed to NEVER own a modern vehicle out of warranty... and a few this has really served them well because I have seen brand new 70k vehicles leave them stranded...

I agree with most of your points ID, and we are saying the same thing about money/needs/wants. :)

New(ish) Ford ? My pick would be an F250, 6.2L, pretty much what YLee just bought, 'cept I'd choose XL if ordering.

For me, it's not a diesel (I own 2 old ones) thing, it's a complexity thing..... to ur's point above, most loaded up vehicles are seriously complex, regardless of fuel type..... one of the reasons I stopped by to admire Fuddy's "new" truck :thumbsup:

Rgds, D.
 
   / New truck #@$%@#& #252  
IMO the Ecobullchit Powerstroke or whatever it's called will turn out to be a POS much like the Rams Fiat diesel. At the same the GM straight 6 Duramax will be a excellent motor. Both of these opinions will apply for both stock and modified motors IMO.

Maybe someone should make a V6 turbo-diesel for a tractor..... Oh wait that would be really stupid which is probably why noone does it.
I work at a Dodge dealership here. The EcoDiesel does not have that many issues with it. Most common are emission related (as with all other modern diesels), possible timing cover seal starts to leak oil (it's a diesel, quite common regardless of make). The biggest complaint with the EcoDiesel is the expensive oil changes, it requires a 5w40 full synthetic diesel oil (early models required 5w30 synthetic diesel oil). Which is $207. Several people have traded their Ram 1500 EcoDiesels as their contract has expired for oil changes, and they do not want to buy a new contract, nor want to pay for the oil change at the dealership.

One thing that diesel owners refuse to understand is, especially on the Cummins is the oil change calls for and hour and a half. 30 minutes to drain the engine (2 quarts of oil can easily stay in the head and cylinders of you only drain for 10 minutes), fill it with oil, start the engine for a few minutes, then let it sit for 30 minutes to check oil level.

My problem with Ford's 3.0L PowerStroke is, they are using a timing belt instead of chain, which has a 150,000 mile replacement interval. It's always felt timing belts are inferior, I don't care if it's for NVH. The engines are noisy as is, you cannot really hear the difference in noise with a chain drive. I cannot even hear the gear train in a Cummins 5.9 or 6.7, all I hear is the clatter of the engine.
 
   / New truck #@$%@#& #253  
I get it about complexity. There's something to be said for the KISS principle. And I did get an XL because it had everything I "need" at a price I was willing to pay. So we're also on the same page there.

My point is complexity isn't necessarily bad just because. As a matter of fact, as I get older, complexity in lots of things makes my life easier. Old military injuries from almost 30 years ago keep me from doing many things I'd like to do so I rely on technology a lot to make life easier.

I didn't mean to come across like I was picking on you or anyone else. Just a friendly conversation about things that are interesting to me because I don't have my **** tractor yet. :mad:
 
   / New truck #@$%@#& #254  
I didn't mean to come across like I was picking on you or anyone else. Just a friendly conversation about things that are interesting to me because I don't have my **** tractor yet. :mad:

:) No worries.....we are just using a pile of modern tech to chit chat about older and new truck "stuff", s'all good !

Medical tech advances faster than most areas.....always good to see new innovations that help people with injuries/illnesses.

Rgds, D.
 
   / New truck #@$%@#& #255  
I work at a Dodge dealership here. The EcoDiesel does not have that many issues with it. Most common are emission related (as with all other modern diesels), possible timing cover seal starts to leak oil (it's a diesel, quite common regardless of make). The biggest complaint with the EcoDiesel is the expensive oil changes, it requires a 5w40 full synthetic diesel oil (early models required 5w30 synthetic diesel oil). Which is $207. Several people have traded their Ram 1500 EcoDiesels as their contract has expired for oil changes, and they do not want to buy a new contract, nor want to pay for the oil change at the dealership.

One thing that diesel owners refuse to understand is, especially on the Cummins is the oil change calls for and hour and a half. 30 minutes to drain the engine (2 quarts of oil can easily stay in the head and cylinders of you only drain for 10 minutes), fill it with oil, start the engine for a few minutes, then let it sit for 30 minutes to check oil level.

My problem with Ford's 3.0L PowerStroke is, they are using a timing belt instead of chain, which has a 150,000 mile replacement interval. It's always felt timing belts are inferior, I don't care if it's for NVH. The engines are noisy as is, you cannot really hear the difference in noise with a chain drive. I cannot even hear the gear train in a Cummins 5.9 or 6.7, all I hear is the clatter of the engine.

Many people are maintenance adverse. IMO, some of the failures in post-emissions diesels relate to neglected maintenance - diesel folk were used to how much neglect many older diesels would tolerate. Frequent fuel filter changes are MANDATORY on most modern light diesels - that cost adds to the oil change objection.

I'm in the camp If you want to Play, Be prepared to Pay...... don't take on a modern diesel unless you are willing to adhere to ALL the MTCE needs, on-schedule. That's just part of being an informed buyer, no foul on the part of the equipment, IMO.

A lot of people like the fact that they don't have to change fuel filters on many modern gas engined vehicles.... I wish they still had them from the factory.... If I signed on for a modern diesel in my driveway, I'd have no issue with spending the extra coin on routine maintenance, but I can see where many people would....

People being cheap, that's one concern I have (esp. re modern dzl emission systems) buying one used..... many diesels have very specific oil requirements.

Might have been the Benz 3.0L dzl,,, IIRC, they tended to spin the cam gear at higher mileage, but that's not really a complexity issue, just marginal mechanical design.....

Complexity..... look at cylinder de-activation in gas truck engines..... GM had plenty of issues (modern day), Ford stayed out of that game altogether, and Dodge seemed to nail it out-of-the-gate.... tech is great, when it works/stays working/creates no downstream collateral issues......

With you on the Tbelt.... that's one thing I struggled with rationalizing a VW TDI...... a 600k+ km engine, that grew to have seriously expensive Tbelt changes....... starts to cut into the long-life/fuel saving cost advantage.....

Rgds, D.
 
   / New truck #@$%@#& #256  
Amazing what old trucks command in the market these days...

Brother has been looking for a 50's something Chevrolet and what a wake up call... either rust buckets or vehicles priced very high...

Nice Barn by the way!
 
   / New truck #@$%@#& #257  
Never mind old trucks, look at what used newer pickups are selling for. My CU has a 4 door, 8 foot bed 2012 F350 Superduty for sale right now.
Minimum bid is $17000.

The truck has 252K miles on the clock, and since it's apparently a repo I doubt that the maintenance was kept up to date.
 
   / New truck #@$%@#& #258  
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That farmer knew he was getting a good truck with your Cheyanne.

Recently got the 54 Chevy out the barn. Frame off full resto in progress. Put a 76 El Camino rear-end in it and will completely rebuild the straight 6 for power.
Abrasive blasted, Acid etched primed, imron on frame and rear-end. All new hubs and disc on the front. Might even put a vintage-air system in it for AC. New bolt kit, and new wiring harness. Put a SS battery box below the cab and master Cyl on the frame.
All told, total restoration of this work horse will cost about 16k. New trucks can't compete. I'll be driving this new old-stock Chevy when most the news ones are long gone.

That will be nice when you get it done. :thumbsup:
 
   / New truck #@$%@#& #259  
I agree with most of your points ID, and we are saying the same thing about money/needs/wants. :)

New(ish) Ford ? My pick would be an F250, 6.2L, pretty much what YLee just bought, 'cept I'd choose XL if ordering.

For me, it's not a diesel (I own 2 old ones) thing, it's a complexity thing..... to ur's point above, most loaded up vehicles are seriously complex, regardless of fuel type..... one of the reasons I stopped by to admire Fuddy's "new" truck :thumbsup:

Rgds, D.

Just saw a STX trim this morning at the Denny's parking lot. with the nice large NAV screen. So tad higher trim with options to add and not pay that hefty lariat trim. :thumbsup:
 
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I love my '93 f150,300-6...especially now. Bush hogging I saw this huge maple limb broken off down in the spring. It was as big as maple trees in the yard. I went down with logging chains and in 4x4 low pulled it out easily, then uphill to brush pile where I'll cut it for firewood. First gear it's like a walking speed...but never spun. 20180901_164226.jpeg20180823_195827.jpeg
 

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