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[MossRoad]

Toyota did offer a diesel engine in the US in the HiLux pickup, but not until the early 80s. It was rare and was only available for a few years.

As for the VW pickup, it not only had a weak engine, the front-wheel-drive also was extremely limiting if you wanted to carry any kind of load and go up a hill. That was also a problem for the nearly forgotten Dodge Omni-based PU sold for a couple of years in the early 80s: the Dodge Rampage. There was a Plymouth version, too.

I found one reference to September of 1979 as the first diesel offering in a small pickup from Toyota. They dropped the HiLux name in 1976.

 

[bcp]

IH offered a diesel in the Scout in the 1970's.

Bruce

 

[dnw64]

Too bad small trucks and manual transmissions are becoming more and more uncommon. The "small" trucks of the day are the same size as the old full size.

I know I'm not normal, but they need to at least offer pint size 4cyl pickups like the old Mitsubishi mighty max and S10 or Ranger. They'd get better gas mileage and would be much cheaper. Not all of us need to tow, but it's nice to have a bed for small farm/home loads.

A few months ago one of the car mags did an op-ed article on "pickup trucks" and compared the F-100 to the trucks of today. They mentioned a price for the original, and the price today for a "typical" "pickup truck".

My thought was "the F-100 is the equivalent of a modern mini-truck; 2-door, 2WD, 6.5' or so bed". So I figured I would search for the current cost for such a beast. I did not find one single "mini" truck available in traditional 2-door only bcab configuration. And, as you mentioned, a row-your-own is scarcer than hen's teeth.

Regardless, by doing some projection, I concluded that IF such a configuration were available, it would be roughly the same price in today's dollars. Of course there would be some pluses and minuses; those might fall in different columns depending on personal preferences (thickness of body metal, "real" safety factors in today's world, simplicity, fuel mileage, maintenance, convenince, etc. etc).

 

[Jstpssng]

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You left out longetivity. Up here that F-100 would have rusted out in 5 years or less. 100K miles was a major milestone IF it lasted that long; by then you would have changed the points, plugs, condenser at least half a dozen times, probably more. Wheel bearings repacked multiple times, valve guides and seals would have been replaced at least once. Starter and alternator probably weren't original; the brakes would have been replaced at least twice. You would be on your third set of tires, assuming that you weren't buying recaps.

Now plugs are good for 100K miles, with average maintenance a vehicle can easily go 300K. For somebody who is diligent, you can expect much more than that.

My brother in Arizona had a running, rust free '66 Power Wagon with the original 318 big block that I could have had setting in my dooryard, after delivery fees for $2600. It would have been a fun toy but I started remembering how much work it was to keep my '68 pickup running 40 years ago, so I passed on it.

 

[dnw64]

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You left out longetivity. Up here that F-100 would have rusted out in 5 years or less. 100K miles was a major milestone IF it lasted that long; by then you would have changed the points, plugs, condenser at least half a dozen times, probably more. Wheel bearings repacked multiple times, valve guides and seals would have been replaced at least once. Starter and alternator probably weren't original; the brakes would have been replaced at least twice. You would be on your third set of tires, assuming that you weren't buying recaps.

Now plugs are good for 100K miles, with average maintenance a vehicle can easily go 300K. For somebody who is diligent, you can expect much more than that.

Of course there would be some pluses and minuses; those might fall in different columns depending on personal preferences... maintenance...etc. etc).

No, I think I covered it pretty well.

 

[tjkubota93]

That 6.7L is a blast (literally) to drive.

You turn your trucks over fast, so won't be an issue for you ID..... personally, I'd much sooner maintain Fuddy's I6 truck any day...... much goes wrong in the 6.7L engine bay, and you are pulling the cab off, and you have a fairly complex emission system to maintain as well on the 6.7L. I like a manual transmission for personal vehicles, but I will say I prefer the Super Duty automatics to the ones in modern F150s.

If you are not towing, well, then this 6.7L is a rocket truck - enjoy the ride !

Rgds, D.

6.7 was supposed to be able to be serviced cab still on I thought? One of the fixes from 6.0 and 6.4 turds.

 

[DIYjunkie]

6.7 was supposed to be able to be serviced cab still on I thought? One of the fixes from 6.0 and 6.4 turds.

Nope cab has to be pulled off, as is the procedure on Duramaxs as well. Too much garbage in the way.

 

[tjkubota93]

Nope cab has to be pulled off, as is the procedure on Duramaxs as well. Too much garbage in the way.

My buddy at work said he bought his 6.7 because he saw one at the dealer getting heads changed with cab on. I was impressed, maybe I should not be.....

 

[ID Corgi Ranch]

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You left out the small diesel 4 bangers, delivering 30 mpg. My V-6 Ranger gets 17, a little less than my full sized Sierra.
I keep hearing rumors that Chevy will soon be putting them in an S-10 (or whatever they are called now.)

Chevy/GMC has offered the Colorado/Canyon with a 2.8L Duramax since 2016. Great little truck. Not the most power but it's adequate. I drove a Colorado for a year and the real world combined fuel mileage was 30 MPG. The Silverado/Sierra 1500 will be available with a 3.0L Duramax in the 2019 model year.

Ford F-150 can be had with a 3.0L Powerstroke starting late this year.

Both Ford and Chevy claim some pretty impressive numbers for the trucks including 30+ MPG.

 

[Jstpssng]

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I guess that it's been longer than I realized since I checked out new truck prices. That F150 Powerstroke could be worth looking into when they get the bugs worked out of it.