New User Moderators

Muhammad · Apr 17, 2002

We would never edit posts if everyone followed the guidelines. /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif But because some people post things like big images, links that are long strings of characters, bad links, etc, we have to edit the messages to clean them up and try to keep everything as consistent as possible, while keeping the needs of all users in mind. The majority of the visitors of this forum are on dial-up connections, so we want to reduce inline images and keep them under a certain file size and width. Believe me, if it were up to me we would never edit messages at all... but a long time ago I made the decision to keep this forum clean in appearance and consistent in formatting... the edit tag is there so you know that your post was changed. Nobody here will be able to say that the content of their post was changed, because it has never happened, to the best of my knowledge. It is strictly editing for formatting... something that is very rare on forums and exclusively a service to the users, not to our benefit really. We do it for you.

Again... I removed the messages in the "Ugly Kubota" thread as a matter of keeping this one subject in one place. I knew I would be posting this thread, where the topic could be discussed, and didn't see the need for those posts to remain on the forum. If they're that important, we could always restore them here in the feedback forum... but then we would have two threads about the same subject on the same day ---something I don't like to see.

Regarding letting everyone know about the new moderators in advance... YES, I could have posted a notice before any moderation took place, and in the future I most likely will. Everyone who works to build and maintain this website has been working extremely hard, and usually long hours. It was something that I wanted to do, and as I mentioned, had thought about the ways to do it, but it didn't get done... we have done lots of sorting out of things over the past week or two, and I apologize for not posting a note sooner to let everyone know in advance. It has never been my intention to keep this a secret or hide it, but I understand where one could jump to conclusions about it.

EdKing · Apr 17, 2002

I have to agree with BobT on this one. Muhammad is footing the bill here, he can run the site like he pleases. If and when we start paying for the services on this site, then I feel should have a "vote" on how the site is operated. Until such time, it is up to Muhammad, and Muhammad alone, to decide who can do what on the site. There are several other sites out there, although none with as much high quality content, and if I decide I don't like how things are run here, I have the option of frequenting those sites instead of this one. With the number of members, most who seem happy here, Muhammad must be doing a pretty good job, or I am sure people would exercise thier option to not frequent this site.

I say"Atta boy Muhammad, keep up thye good work, and thanks for providing a place where we can talk tractor with others who share simular interests."

jhburke · Apr 18, 2002

If anyone has a problem with this forum, they should go to the new Yahoo Groups board. I have one group about 3 times a week it comes up OOPS Unavailable. They are also run so many adds it seems that half time you are getting rid of them to see the messages.

Bird · Apr 18, 2002

Geee... what's all of the hoopla!

I'm with you, Terry./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif Managing this forum has got to be a time consuming job and for Muhammad to get a little more good help (and I think he's picked some pretty darned good help, too), so what? In fact, I'd say we owe a debt of gratitude to these guys for being willing and able to help.

Egon · Apr 18, 2002

When I pay for a service then I may complain.
As it is I don't pay so I should follow the guide line's and enjoy an excellent forum that may require "tweaking" to maintain its excellence.

Egon

Mark_in_NH · Apr 18, 2002

I have No comment "on this particular discussion" either Good or Bad !! And I have Absolutly No Negative comments on the way the website is operated.
I am just Very Grateful that this site exhist's, and that I have been privaleged to become a member of it.
Thank you Muhammed, and moderators, both old and new, for all of your UNSELFISH efforts and your DONATED time towards the initial creation of this site and for it's never ending maintenance.
Thank you to all the members for your advice, guidance, mental and moral support, for your much needed humor, for sharing your inventions and creations with us all.
Geez, I could go on, but I have babbled enough. I am just Danged happy to be here !!! /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

Bob_Trevithick · Apr 18, 2002

Paul, When was the last time you this much fun for free. This site costs you nothing. Let's start there, then look at the guys chosen, I'd say they are quality people. Have some faith in the fact that maybe everything isn't a plot to ruin something great. The man is just asking for some help. That is just my opinion take it or leave it. 

I have to echo this sentiment. I haven't been around here long, but this is the best-run site I've ever seen in many years of computing. If you want conspiracies, look at NASA, not TBN. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Good job, Muhammad.. and all the other moderators and long-term members.

Sincerely,
Bob

jhburke · Apr 18, 2002

My feelings exactly. I might want to make a suggestion once in awhile. But only the one in charge knows the whole story. When I had men working with me I always told them that I didn't think I knew the best and only way to do something. But my way was working and if they knew a better way to talk to me.

looch · Apr 18, 2002

Hey Bob, relax dude. Maybe it would help if I told you that I'm not screaming the words I write, I'm not slamming the keys on my keyboard.

I just read through the posts on this thread and it seems to me that yours is the only one that comes across as an outright attack against someone.

Let's see:

I'm unreasonable
I invent offenses
I'm being disingenuos
I'm viscious
and I think you're insinuating that I'm intolerant.

I hope I'm not really like that. I don' think I am.

I abide by the rules of society, but that doesn't mean I blindly accept without challenge whatever the decision makers decide to hand down.

It seems that unlike a lot of you (oh boy, I'm gonna get nailed for this), I have taken ownership of this place - it feels like home, and I like to know what's going on.

Sorry, but I don't see this as strictly "Muhammad's place" - I see it as TractorByNet, a division of IMC Digital Universe Inc. and Muhammad as our kind host. I'm pretty sure that running this site isn't easy and I think Muhammad does it very well, but - and maybe I'm wrong here - isn't it his job?

I don't want this "tiny, virtually meaningless issue" to be the first of many more. And after this thread, I think those who make the decisions about this site will take more care in executing their plans, because now they know there are jerks like me who will cause a fuss.

Rest assured that I will be around to read the posts on this thread, but I won't be responding - I feel I've made my point. If you have something that you want to talk to me about, send me a private message.

In fact, maybe it's time I took a hiatus. I'm sure a lot of you wouldn't object.

Inspector507 · Apr 18, 2002

Egon, You're right there in my opinion. If I had to pay to belong here, maybe Muhammad should have let us have a say in who the new moderators would be. But we don't. Seems to me on the front page there's a note that says,

"TractorByNet.com is an independently owned and operated website.

© 1997-2002 TractorByNet.com. Reproduction in whole or in part without written permission is strictly prohibited."

Someone has to be footing the bill for this site and that's Muhammad. And probably owns the copyright to this sites name.