NEWS ON THE KL1595, 1590 LOADER ROLL-BACK FIX KIT!

[mikeyatease]

I have a DK45 with 1590 loader, under warranty till December. Is Kioti authorizing (or mandating) their dealers to install this roll-back fix kit FOR FREE for all customers who ask that it be installed? If not, what would it cost?

Still unclear as to the applicability of this fix option for me.
Thanks, Michael

 

[ocaj11]

Buddy,

Did I miss the update?? Can you let us know how the install went and how it works. Also, did you have to pay for the upgrade or was it handled by Kioti?? I'm very curious.

Thanks.

 

[KiotiJohn]

One thing I wanted to comment on, and I don't know if there is a charge for the upgrade, is that when everyone bought this loader model, the specs were stated about the rollback. True, many people didn't know how that related to what they wanted to do, but it wasn't as though Kioti deceived anyone about the capabilities of the loader.
I think that if they do charge for an upgrade, it would be justified since everyone had an opportunity to know what the rollback angle was.
Yes, it's a shame it was designed with such a small angle on the RB, but it's up to us as consumers to know what we are buying.
I suppose it's easy for me to say since I don't have one of the loaders in question, but just wanted to share my thoughts about it.
John

 

[Justaplain]

Its not the angle, it is the roll back force we are talking about. It is hung up so the roll back cannot handle a full load that it can lift. I had a Cub 7234 that would curl more than this 1450 loader can. It is in the design and engineering. BCS

 

[Kiohio]

Yes it costs for the KL1470, but pricing isn't out for the KL159x series.
List on the KL1470-$398
KO

 

[psuedofarmer]

<font color="blue">the specs were stated about the rollback. True, many people didn't know how that related to what they wanted to do, but it wasn't as though Kioti deceived anyone about the capabilities of the loader.
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this is a very valid point. i, for one, had absolutely no clue about what rollback was, or how it would affect my ability to use the tractor.

if i were savvy about these things, and the rollback concerned me (be it angle or force-related), i may have balked at the tractor. but IMHO, even if i did think this spec to be distrubing, i don't think it would have been a deal breaker.

the tractor, and the price i paid for it, far out-weigh the inconvenience.

having said that, i may decide that the extra $ i pay for the upgrade isn't worth the few times when the rollback bothers me.

pf

 

[ocaj11]

To each his own I suppose.....

Being a veteran tractor/loader user, I can definately say that these loaders are the absolute worst I've ever used. The rollback strength (breakout force I think it is called) is pathetic. If you don't own one of these loaders, it's easy to say "you got what Kioti said you were getting". If you've never had much experience with a good loader, you don't have anything to compare performance with.

When this many people are so unhappy with the loaders, something is wrong. It's not like we all got a lemon, this is a design flaw plain and simple. Kioti should do what's right and fix the loaders. They certainly realize it's an issue because they worked with the loader manufacturer to design a proper fix.

Maybe the automobile manufacturers will take a tip from Kioti and start charging for their recalls. I think Ford should have charged each person to replace the faulty tires on the SUV's a few years ago because Firestone made the tires. I think that would have went over well.

They will stand behind their equipment or they won't. It's no small issue in my mind. If they do the right thing, I'll be happy. If they try to stick me with the repair bill for their faulty design, I will become an outspoken opponent.

 

[psuedofarmer]

<font color="blue">Maybe the automobile manufacturers will take a tip from Kioti and start charging for their recalls. I think Ford should have charged each person to replace the faulty tires on the SUV's a few years ago because Firestone made the tires. I think that would have went over well.
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there's a difference between an enhancement request and a safety recall. this loader fix is an enhancement request.

so i'm curious - you definitely know far more about how it's supposed to operate than most people who own it (me included!). why did you buy it?

while i agree with you on the limitations of the loader - i disagree who should pay for it. the specs clearly identify the rollback properties - it's up to me to decide if i can live with that.

pf

 

[tallur4me]

Maybe some of the people who bought the tractor with the 1590 did what I did; I asked the dealer if the loader would handle 5 x 5 and 5 x 6 round bales.
The fact is that the loader does not function as a loader with this kind of lift capacity should function on the roll back. I have used and owned several tractors with front loaders of various makes and models and I speak from a point of experience and frustration regarding the 1590. Now if you want to put up "sissy" round bales in the 600 lb category the loader will roll back the load. Put a large bale on and you need another loader!
When you add the factor of broken bolts when carrying near the lift capacity I think you have a design problem.
I speak from 30 years experience supervising students who built farm equipment in a vocational shop setting. If we designed a product that failed or would not perform to expectation we fixed the problem. That's what I want....I want the problem fixed! I'll argue with my dealer about who pays for the fix.

 

[Kiohio]

I understand and don't argue the fact BUT it isn't fair to make the dealer pay for the fix when the company isn't going to reimburse the dealer.
When things happen the dealer is stuck in the middle with all manufacturers/customers.
It would be different if it was a 20 dollar part but it isn't.
Believe me I would love nothing more than to call my customer that needs this done and tell them it's in stock and it is free of charge.

On your particular tractor....
You may want to check something else out...we have a customer curling 1500lb round bales with a 1590 and no kit.
Might want to turn up the pressure.

KO