Nice Pics of the New 2005 B-3030 & LTB-39

_RaT_ · Feb 11, 2005

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I remember the excitement when the JD 110 came out. Jim, SkyPup, what makes you so interested in the L39 vs the JD 110? HSTvs GST? Size? Performance specs? The JD shares many of the similar things like low knee loader, curved hoe boom and from what I saw of the picture, the L39 has no front dash like the JD 110. Does the L39 also have the same somewhat chincy fuel gauge as the JD 110? The JD 110 has the ability to creep into position from the hoe operator seat, how about the L39. Why the L39 over the JD 110? Inquiring minds....

_RaT_ · Feb 11, 2005

And one more thing while I'm on a tear to get to "Elite" status, can the L39 be had without a hoe? The TL 39 vs the TLB 39.

ronjhall · Feb 11, 2005

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JimMorrissey · Feb 11, 2005

Gray,

I started a new post in Attachments to address mechanical thumb design. Could you please check that out. This one is getting a bit off target. Maybe some other folks who are not following the "Nice Pics of the New 2005 B-3030 & LTB-39" thread might chime in /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

JimMorrissey · Feb 11, 2005

Likely yes, but WHY would someone even consider such a thing. That beautiful hoe is the heart of the beast /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

You guys get up too early.

JimMorrissey · Feb 11, 2005

I wonder if that is something you could add (when your factory warranty runs out /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)? I'm sure others have wondered the same and it must have been discussed on here before.

A lot of guys add turbos to snowmobiles, believe it or not. Boy, do those things rip (170hp) /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif. They're primarily used for high moutain sleds that really get up there in elevation out in the western US.

SkyPup · Feb 11, 2005

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I remember the excitement when the JD 110 came out. Jim, SkyPup, what makes you so interested in the L39 vs the JD 110? HSTvs GST? Size? Performance specs? The JD shares many of the similar things like low knee loader, curved hoe boom and from what I saw of the picture, the L39 has no front dash like the JD 110. Does the L39 also have the same somewhat chincy fuel gauge as the JD 110? The JD 110 has the ability to creep into position from the hoe operator seat, how about the L39. Why the L39 over the JD 110? Inquiring minds.... )

The JD costs 25% plus more and has a 4-cyl Yanmar motor, although it does have a turbocompressor. It is a little too large to maneuver where I want to. Plus the nearest JD dealer is over 25 miles one way. I'd get a CAT loader-backhoe instead of a JD if I needed something larger.

The L39 has a more fuel economical 3-cyl engine (at 1,800 rpm probably about a gallon per two hours of hard work), the GST tranny is superb, the power I need (just purchased 850 acres a month ago and we have allot of work to do), same dashboard as my Grand L-3130, nice comfortable seat, and my 'BOTA dealer is close by and have an excellent relationship with them and two other Kubotas, not to mention I am familiar with maintaining Kubotas too.

SkyPup · Feb 11, 2005

I've got a spare Garrett Variable Nozzle Turbocharger (VNT) oil cooled 18psi turbocharger rated at 270,000rpms hanging on the wall of the barn now that would be perfect for a 1.5-2.0 liter turbodiesel (came off a 1.9 liter turbodiesel VW). It would bolt onto the exhaust manifold without much problem, however controlling the fuel charge would be difficult with the OEM Nippondenso inline pump to match the turbocompressor map. Running over 8psi of boost requires the installation of an effective intercooler to lower the compressed air back down from 350*F to about 150*F too. The extremely rapid increase in boost under load would require the use of electronic manifold air sensors and heat sensors to electronically control the fuel output of the FIE and unfortunately the OEM inline pump is straight mechanical and not electronically controlled. It could work with a wastegated turbocompressor but would smoke allot when not under load and associated boost.

It could be done with some fiddling but doubling the power and torque with the turbo would probably result in the demise of other engine and transmission components just when you need them the most, ie when they are under heavy load.

JimMorrissey · Feb 11, 2005

Rat,

Price was also a consideration for me. The 110 is in the low 40s as far as I can find in the NE. I traded my L3830, as you know, and my dealer gave me a relatively good trade (they sold it the same day I signed the Purchase Agreement on the L39). The last time I checked with the local JD guy he looked at my BX (I was looking at the 110) and he kind of chuckled and said something like "Huh, I could give ya 5 grand for that". Inslulting to say the least. Sorry JD.....

A friend of mine has a 110 and he is not particularly happy with the hoe as far as the slopiness in the bucket. It moves around a lot. I believe he actually tried to manufacture bushing himself to take care of the problem. He also said it was hard to control the forward and reverse accurately. He's very particular though, so who knows....The 110 is a nice machine and the "creep" function works well....I tried it on his. I wish Kubota incorporated that feature.

There's also been a lot of talk lately on the 110 having problems with the rear end "breaking" when using heavy equipment on the 3pt/pto. Not sure of the specifics, but I don't want to be on the casuality list there. If you search there are fairly recent posts on this (within the last couple of weeks).

The 110 weighs almost 900lbs more and has a wider turning radius. L39 has a 7.5 foot turning radius.....between that and the weight, it makes for a much friendlier machine to mow and to haul with a pick-up. As Sky said, the engine is a consideration too. I like the 3 cyl at the associated fuel conservation/quiteness.

The Kubota operator's area looks much nicer. It's bigger and you can walk through, so it's safer and easier to move around. The seat twists around with a lever, you don't have to get up and flip the seat over, then climb over the seat to get to the operator's station. I was on a 110 on Tuesday and the hoe control are is crammed....and I'm not a big guy (170lbs).

The fact that Kubota had two years to dissect every aspect of the 110 and improve upon it gives me a good feeling about this machine.

One other thing: I see the world through orange colored glasses. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

JimMorrissey · Feb 11, 2005

Maybe something a little more gentle would work. JD has got mild turbos on their new machines. I'm sure a lot of R&D and $$ went into that project though. It's not something they slapped together over the weekend with spare parts. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif