No more V8 in F150?

[houstonscott]

When regulations say a light duty truck must get 40 mpg, what are the choices. Reduce engine size, lighten vehicle, by materials or size. Nothing else to do.... Stop producing trucks.... It's been a progression, smaller V8's, better transmissions, turbo V6's and direct injection, aluminum bodies, next step is 4 cylinders. HS

 

[ClaySlayer]

We could go on all day engine vs engine. In reality both might be good with each having advantages.

Engine means absolutely nothing if transmission isn't going to back it up. I think the transmission is more important than engine, at least in a tow/haul perspective.

You'll be hard pressed to find many complaints about the 6R80 in the F150s. And on the other end of the vehicle spectrum it comes in the Mustang too and there's plenty of people running 9s with stock 6R80s.

 

[5030]

I bought my used 2012 Ford Fusion (ex-Enterprise rental car) from my local Ford dealer because it looks so American I thought it must BE American.

Well, it is American but made in Mexico not the USA.

Bear in mind that the car with the highest USA content is the Toyota Camry, made in Georgetown, Kentucky.

Buick is the largest selling car brand in China. And GM sells more vehicles in China than in the USA.

The stock ownership of all these brands is spread throughout the world.

Thats an interesting comment...

I live very close to Toledo and work part time just up the road from the Toledo Jeep Plant. The folks I work for supply the not so big three so we get preferred supplier discount..... from everyone. I better tell everyone, I'm a Ford person at heart. I get A plan because my BIL is a senior design engine at SVO Dearborn. Noth withstanding, I looked at a new Jeep Renegade at a Toledo Jeep dealer and almost bought one until I read the build sheet...

The Renegade is 85% foreign content. The engine and transmission is built at Global Engine in Dundee, Michigan, put in a container and shipped to Italy when the engine and tranny is mated to an Itallian built body and underpinnings and then it's shipped back to the US and sold here...as a Jeep.

I walked out. I don'r want a Marchoni abortion. Went to the Ford Dealer and bought a Focus, made at Michigan Assembly on Grand River in Livonia and says so on the door.

I hear the Focus and C max will be Hencho mexico soon. Glad I bought the domestic edition now.

Thats my 2 cents.

 

[5030]

Hook up to me bumper to bumper and see what this 3.5 Eco Boost "wennie" motor will do.

Guys who don't think this is the way it's going are so far behind they think their in the lead....

Chris

Bring it on up here if you want.... I live close enough to you. I could haul your weenie truck in the back of my F350.... just say'in. We can hook 'em up and I'll lay down a C note that says you'll go with me no matter what you do. I love stuff like that.

 

[VitaBene]

I could haul your weenie truck in the back of my F350.... just say'in.

No, you cannot. Can my 99 F250 7.3, 6 speed outpull my 16 ecodiesel 1500? Sure, but the technology in the Ram is something else.

 

[rd_macgregor]

I've watched some of these truck to truck pulling contests on YouTube and don't believe that small differences in horsepower or torque matter much. Traction and gearing are more likely to be the deciding factors in who pulls who across the lot.

 

[5030]

I've watched some of these truck to truck pulling contests on YouTube and don't believe that small differences in horsepower or torque matter much. Traction and gearing are more likely to be the deciding factors in who pulls who across the lot.

I believe it also has to do with GVW.

 

[jeff9366]

I bought my used 2012 Ford Fusion (ex-Enterprise rental car) from my local Ford dealer because it looks so American I thought it must BE American.

Well, it is American but made in Mexico not the USA.

Bear in mind that the car with the highest USA content is the Toyota Camry, made in Georgetown, Kentucky.

Buick is the largest selling car brand in China. And GM sells more vehicles in China than in the USA.

The stock ownership of all these brands is spread throughout the world.

Barron's Financial News on GM and Ford:

General Motors, China's top-selling auto maker, has an advantage that could serve it well, particularly in a crisis. Unlike other foreign-car makers, its joint ventures there also produce Chinese makes Baojun, Jiefang, and Wuling in which it has a stake. The split: 50-50.

China is the biggest market for GM's Buick brand. Last year, Buick sold 989,167 vehicles there, including the Envision, a midsize crossover that it will soon introduce in the U.S. China has also become an important market for Cadillac, which sold 79,779 vehicles there in 2015, 17% above 2014's total.

Ford has been boosting its presence in China, where it sold a record 1.12 million vehicles last year.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Bring it on up here if you want.... I live close enough to you. I could haul your weenie truck in the back of my F350.... just say'in. We can hook 'em up and I'll lay down a C note that says you'll go with me no matter what you do. I love stuff like that.

I'll bring my F350 too then. I've got 3 trucks son.

Just saying my "Wennie" 1/2 ton F150 will out haul anything in its class except the Nissan Titan diesel.

Chris

 

[Snobdds]

How, there is no static load on the suspension is a red neck pull-a-thon?

 

[Snobdds]

"I believe it also has to do with GVW."

How, there is no static load on the suspension is a red neck pull-a-thon?

 

[RollingsFarms]

I bring my F350 too then. I've got 3 trucks son. Just saying my "Wennie" 1/2 ton F150 will out haul anything in its class except the Nissan Titan diesel. Chris

Aren't the Titan XD's in a class of their own separate from 1/2 ton trucks? I saw the April number figures and they aren't selling at all. Not sure they'll be around for long if they don't pick up soon.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Aren't the Titan XD's in a class of their own separate from 1/2 ton trucks? I saw the April number figures and they aren't selling at all. Not sure they'll be around for long if they don't pick up soon.

They are still considered a 1500 1/2 ton series.

Not sure about the numbers. Not seeing them on lots here yet.

Chris

 

[ClaySlayer]

So let me get this straight...the OP starts a discussion about the availability of a V8 in future F150s and then a feller or two (I didn't count) roll up in here and throw their 7.3s on the table and say nothing less will suffice...did I nail it? I mean we're probably talking about hauling around CUTs here... This is about as bad as a fishing forum I often visit where apparently you need a 3/4 ton plus with a diesel to haul around a piddly bass boat... Did you guys get tired of the semi crowd calling your motors weenie so you felt like you had to go throw down on some 1/2 tons for therapy?!?!

 

[ClaySlayer]

They are still considered a 1500 1/2 ton series.

Not sure about the numbers. Not seeing them on lots here yet.

Chris

The XDs are stuck in a gray area because given their GCWR of 8k (or whatever it is) they don't have to publish fuel mileage. Now I'm assuming the non XDs will definitely be considered a 1/2 ton. But as it is the XDs weigh so much they should just thrown a 6.7 Cummins in there and been done with it.

 

[DT86]

Aren't the Titan XD's in a class of their own separate from 1/2 ton trucks? I saw the April number figures and they aren't selling at all. Not sure they'll be around for long if they don't pick up soon.

I saw one Sunday with temp tags, first time in person. Good looking and even sounded good.

What happened to the diesel Colorado trucks? Still haven't noticed one of those on the wild.

 

[5030]

So let me get this straight...the OP starts a discussion about the availability of a V8 in future F150s and then a feller or two (I didn't count) roll up in here and throw their 7.3s on the table and say nothing less will suffice...did I nail it? I mean we're probably talking about hauling around CUTs here... This is about as bad as a fishing forum I often visit where apparently you need a 3/4 ton plus with a diesel to haul around a piddly bass boat... Did you guys get tired of the semi crowd calling your motors weenie so you felt like you had to go throw down on some 1/2 tons for therapy?!?!

Typical publically viewed forum and typical comments. You cast your stone and the ripples go to the shore....:laughing:

 

[rd_macgregor]

I believe it also has to do with GVW.

I would attribute this to traction. All else being equal, a heavier vehicle has more traction.

 

[WilliamBos]

I realize that, but so is calling it a wennie motor when it will out haul and out tow anything from GM, Ram, Toyota, and even Ford in its class. Only one beating it is Nissan with its 5.0L Cummins.

Chris

But will it out last them? Jury is still out since it was tested in a lab with no real world numbers. Toyota is not a true towing engine, their timing belts are the weak link.

 

[debo1683]

But will it out last them? Jury is still out since it was tested in a lab with no real world numbers. Toyota is not a true towing engine, their timing belts are the weak link.

None of the new Toyota trucks have timing belts in their motors, they are all chains. Why does a timing belt make it not a true towing motor? My understanding is the hardest thing on the timing belts is when you start the motor. I have an 06 tundra ... 4.7 with a belt and tow with it all the time. Its not a great towing truck, but that has more to do with suspension and brakes than available horsepower.