No pressure to grapple

[ROUSTABOUT]

Are you saying you weren't trying that????

What were you trying?

Did your "mechanical neighbor" test anything out after he was done? Or explain to you that you need to hold the button and move the joystick?

Did your neighbor mechanic tell you whether he set it up to divert the lift/lower or the curl/dump circuit??

A diverter NEVER needs a two button joystick. Because a diverter has only ONE solenoid. SO at this point I have lost all confidence in "your neighbor mechanic"

OH, and also.....it looks like its plumbed wrong......but hard to tell from the pics because I cannot see what the ports are labeled. A closeup would be nice. But guessing about 75% sure this is the issue....incorrect plumbing

Like he said, only had seen two button type. So, if he'd only ever seen two button, one button may throw him.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

some do have two button ... Not sure why or what it dose... maybe a activated and disactivated ??

''Kit includes joystick handle that replaces your existing handle and has 2 integrated momentary push button switches so you can open and close your cylinder with a push of a button

• Ergonomic design with 2 momentary push button switches''

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Universal Hydraulic Third Function Valve Kit w/ Joystick Handle, 15 GPM

Universal Hydraulic Third Function Valve Kit w/ Joystick Handle, 15 GPM

summit-hydraulics.com

Yes, like on a skid steer. Open, close for boom circuits.

 

[LD1]

I did not "Berate" your neighbor. And Im not trying to cut anyone down. Im trying to help you solve the problem.

I asked you SEVERAL questions. Did you answer any of them? NOPE.

I dont know you and I dont know your neighbor. So if he doesnt know what he is doing....I am going to ask questions to make sure your setup is installed correctly. Its nothing personal so dont take it as such. And if your neighbor did install something wrong.....why come on here and get all defensive towards those trying to help you get your grapple working?

 

[Rockbadchild]

I haven't had a chance yet to try it but I think that the moving of the joystick will work. Last night after seeing the replies I recall the RK person telling me that you have to use the curl/dump function when I bought the kit months and months ago but I forgot about it. I guess they don't expect anyone to buy the kit and install it themselves because it comes with no instructions other than a photo of the plumbing of the new hoses. Nothing about the operation of the valve.

LD1, why did you feel you had to berate my neighbor who was willing to install that for me just because he said he had never installed a third function valve with only one button? The TYM label on the kit calls it a third function valve even though it's a diverter valve. I thought that this was a place for us to ask questions not get cut down.

It is a place to ask question and to get answers ... LDI message can be interpreted as being rough around the edge or criticizing you or your neighbors, I understand. He is only trying to get more information to adequately help you, he is very knowledgeable and always ready to help. I understand how you could see it the way you did but I think it's a issue of not having a face to face conservation, one person style of writing or the interpretation of the message in question.

 

[DonRybak]

Thanks to those that responded about using the button and the curl/dump function in conjunction. This afternoon I walked over to my neighbors and we gave it a shot. Perfect......... He said yestertday that it has to be something very simply. The third function joystick was added as standard equipment on later models of the RK tractors so there's no mention in the manual as to how the button functions. Even the new online manuals haven't been updated to mention the button. As I mentioned in my second reply, I remembered during the night that the RK guy told me you have to use the curl/dump function but that was close to a year ago and I had forgotten.

FD1, sorry to take offense to you post. You are correct that I didn't answer your questions. Your question of "weren't you trying that?" kind of blew my mind. Of course not or I woundn't have had to ask the question because it would have been working. When I said there was no documentation other than a sheet showing part numbers of the items included and then a diagram showing them installed in the correct order I took that as a cut down that everybody in the world should know that if there's only one button then you have to use the curl/dump function. If there would have been some reference telling us that was how it worked then I could have said LD1 is correct, we are dumb asses for not following instructions. Again, sorry to take offense to your post if it wasn't meant to be that way.

 

[ovrszd]

I think what got everyone on the wrong foot was your description of your neighbor as knowledgeable in regards to the system you bought. He was not.

Then it compounded when it became obvious your neighbor couldn't diag enough to realize the button needed held.

In the end it all worked out. It's all good.

 

[LD1]

Since the lines feeding the valve have to originate from either the curl/dump OR the lift and lower hoses....and NOT from a main pressure line.....that is the reason it's called a diverter. And the reason the joystick still needs actuated WHILE pushing button.

Since you mentioned it as a diverter.....and since it ties into one of the joystick functions.....I assumed either you or the neighbor understood how it was supposed to work.

When I asked the question "weren't you trying that".....was because I was kinda surprised you weren't. And initial look at the pics.....my thought was wrong plumbing. Because MOST diverters have the top ports as the ones going to the grapple. And the side ports are supply....and normal function out. But I say "most" because not all are that way.

In any case.....I'm glad you got it working and it's water over/under the bridge now.

But I gotta ask.... which functions of the joystick are diverted that now operate the grapple?

Also.....if open/close are backwards from what you prefer for operation.....just swap the two hoses going to the grapple

 

[DonRybak]

LD1, the dump/curl function is what's diverted to the grapple. I had no idea this was a diverter valve until after I purchased it and saw the valve labeled as a diverter. The TYM label on the box definitely says third function kit. Even knowing it wasn't a true third function I most likely would have bought it anyway since it contained all the fitting and hoses cut to correct lengths.

 

[LouNY]

Myself I would prefer a diverter over a third function. The diverter is controllable, the third function is just on or off no modulation possible.

 

[ovrszd]

And don't feel bad about misconception. There are a lot of TBN members that don't know the difference.

I'm used to the quickness of my 3rd function. But Lou is right, control is much better with a diverter. What you lose is the ability to do all three functions at once.