Not Enough Babies?

[jyoutz]

I am sure the people in the third world having no money and 6-10 kids will fill in any gaps in first world population.

Instead of integration, we will see more groups trying to change to what they came from.

Well that will at least reduce the need for toilet paper.

It seems to be that way for all first generation immigrants; the second generation integrates. My own family is an example. My great grandparents immigrated from Slovakia in the early 1900s. They settled in a small community in Ohio with like families from Slovakia. They spoke limited English their entire life and kept to their European ways. My grandparents were fluid English speakers and integrated completely, while still speaking Slovakian with their parents.

 

[Tpondel]

And here I thought there were too many people f#&king around!

 

[Snobdds]

With declining birth rates, we will eventually have even greater labor shortages.

Importing immigrants to keep the cost of labor down to tame inflation, is this admins preferred way to deal with things.

 

[kenmbz]

Importing and then making it unnecessary to integrate, by providing free food/housing/education is not how my great grand parents were welcomed here.

They landed in neighborhoods that were welcoming and then spread to multiple states after learning the language and how to get along with others.

Those immigrants working at nursing homes are the ones who integrate fast, along with the other workers. The ones that work hard and become owners and pay taxes.

We have millions that are here illegally and the gov promised reforms for those that want to work and fit in, both the R and D failed this.
We have tuberculosis and hundreds of other diseases running rampant,
People from other countries saying the citizens of the US need to be removed from the planet now living here and still saying they want to do bad things.

I have friends and co workers from pretty much every country in the world who are so frustrated and angry that they went through the process and got no help and now get to watch others take their money and not even try to become integrated and pay back into the system.

 

[paulsharvey]

On the integration comments; there IS a middle ground. 4 generations ago; my ancestors came over from the Hungarian part of Austro-Hungary; but are ethnically Polish, there was no nation of Poland at that time. Anyways, back then, they didn't even teach the US born kids their native language; and it was common to whip a kid if you caught them speaking Polish (or Italian, or German, or whatever). They would change their names to American names; basically born again Americans. That wasn't probably a good thing; immigrants should strive to keep their culture/language, while also adopting American. It's a balancing act, and I for one am happy to get good Tacos from Mexicans, Gyros from Greeks, whatever from Lebanese; ect. I have zero issue with you teaching your kids Spanish or Farsi, and speaking it; but at the same time, I strong feel you need to learn English, and you dont get to be offended b6 me eating pork or beef, or whatever non-kosher, non-halil, or whatever meal I want.

I also dont mind if you make your wife wear a face cover, or whatever, or open a synagogue or Hindu temple.

 

[paulsharvey]

I will add, maybe 20 years ago, if you asked me, my answer would have been a bit different, but I have adopted a much more live and let live approach, as long as you don't want to change my life to fit yours.

If I show up a Jewish BBQ (if they do that?) I'm not going to be offended by the lack of good pulled pork; but don't expect a Kosher meal at my house. Same with vegans, or whatever. Heck, if I Kniw you don't eat certain things; Maybe I'll have a option for you, but maybe not; not going to make a special trip to a weird store for your culturally appropriate diet.

 

[kenmbz]

For Jews and Muslims, beef will do, but fish is easiest. No pork etc.
For Hindi's , no meat only veggies.
I have friends of all the above (plus one of cousins kids is vegan), and usually just make something neutral, like plain pizza.
They can stop by the grill if they want to, but that will have whatever I am grilling, and it could be pork/chicken/beef/fish/veggies.
I never have issues that way,
And the pizza is made with real cheese, just aged and verified lactose free.

Easy enough, but, telling me what to make vs. asking what can I do, well that does not work well. Unfortunately here I don't allow people to bring food to my house due to my limits.
But at their houses, I would never tell anyone what to do, I can bring my own food, it's my problem not theirs.

Also why we don't talk religion, unless asking a polite question. Only way to find out some of the more interesting and cool workings of other cultures.

One of the things I love about working in NYC for so many years. You can be in a room with people from a dozen countries, all working to get something done as a team.

 

[ultrarunner]

I put my wife Filipino wife through school although only to LPN. The 2 doctors in her clinic are African and Italian. That's at the VA no less. She started out as a CNA in a facility that was over 50% Filipino staffed. When she was trying to figure out what to do as a career, I told her, don't fight it, go into health care! She is by fare the most complimented nurse on the staff. All the patients love her, even the cranky old ones, she always wins them over.

On the subject of population drop, it's a thing for sure. Filipinos are doing what they can to help out. My wife has 6 siblings, 4 out of 7 are working abroad.

OFW is a way of life and nursing highly respected…

Over Seas Foreign Worker.

Austria has a Philippine nursing program and the US has similar ties.

Sever of our RNs go back every 12 to 24 months and I have standing invites but as a person that likes the Pacific Northwest I worry how I would fare in 100 degree heat and 90% humidity?

No baby shortage in the PI from what I hear.

 

[paulsharvey]

Also, with holidays vs cultures; if MLK day or Orthodox good Friday, or Yom Kippur whatever is your jam, and you have the PTO to take it off; I support you doing that. You want to celebrate Lunar New Years, cool; you want to blow bull horns and sacrifice a goat; you do you; with that, don't get pissed if I say Merry Christmas; or ask what the he'll Junetennth is. I might even choose to wear Orange on St Patrick's day just to get a rise out of drunken leprechauns.

On the population discussion; our world basically revolves around the idea of steady population growth, and makes that assumption. What happens to real estate or ag commodities in Romania? I don't think most of us in the US have a good understanding on what that world looks like.

 

[kenmbz]

The US population is up 53 Million from the year 2000.
That only includes what the census found ( who knows how much more it is).

That's why we have housing shortages right now.

 

[ultrarunner]

Juneteenth was on a Friday not long ago and the local bank decided to close with a handwritten sign…

Lots of business owners very unhappy as they were bringing in end of week deposits.

I asked the bank and was told the decision made Wednesday afternoon before the Friday as the right thing to do… US Bank

 

[NoTrespassing]

OFW is a way of life and nursing highly respected…

Over Seas Foreign Worker.

Austria has a Philippine nursing program and the US has similar ties.

Sever of our RNs go back every 12 to 24 months and I have standing invites but as a person that likes the Pacific Northwest I worry how I would fare in 100 degree heat and 90% humidity?

No baby shortage in the PI from what I hear.

We're heading to Phils in 3 days to stay for 3 weeks. It's very HOT and HUMID in Manila. I carry a towel everywhere I go and drink a LOT of water. We're going to stay in Baguio (5000 ft. elevation) for a few days where the average high is mid 70's F. Wish me luck, I hope I don't die of heat stroke. It's been 7 years since we were there last and I'm not a young man anymore.

No baby shortage is correct, my wife and I have about a dozen nieces and nephews, many that we have never met.

 

[kenmbz]

We're heading to Phils in 3 days to stay for 3 weeks. It's very HOT and HUMID in Manila. I carry a towel everywhere I go and drink a LOT of water. We're going to stay in Baguio (5000 ft. elevation) for a few days where the average high is mid 70's F. Wish me luck, I hope I don't die of heat stroke. It's been 7 years since we were there last and I'm not a young man anymore.

No baby shortage is correct, my wife and I have about a dozen nieces and nephews, many that we have never met.

Have fun, we have friends from Philippines , Big family, all really nice.

Just don't push yourself in that heat. We learned to have a bottle of cold water with us to pour over our head if it got too much. Towel is a great idea.

pictures of Baguio please, sounds nice.

 

[ultrarunner]

My friends from the Philippines all have lots of brothers and sisters…

My Philippine friends that are raised here have at most one or two kids.

I’m sure a lot is California economics combined with not having a large built in family safety net.

With elevation it’s a safe bet the temp drops…

One co worker from the mountain Provence about 1.5 hours above Baguio said sometimes cold enough for hail and even frost…

I’ve seen this on the Hawaiian Big Island hot on the beach and playing in the snow at Mauna Kea.

Looking forward to pictures and more how well you acclimate and any surprises along the way.

With the PI population expanding building is booming and the economy strong.

I find it interesting that as a rule non citizens cannot own land, divorce isn’t really an option and foreigners that screw up face consequences with no hesitation to deport…

One nurse explained it best… as a RN in the Bay Area she earns in one shift what she earned in a month as a Provence Clinic RN.

English taught in the schools is a big plus and in general Americans are welcomed…

 

[Snobdds]

Wait until the boomers die off...there will be so many houses available that values will crater.

The higher it goes, the bigger the fall...

 

[NoTrespassing]

My friends from the Philippines all have lots of brothers and sisters…

My Philippine friends that are raised here have at most one or two kids.

I’m sure a lot is California economics combined with not having a large built in family safety net.

With elevation it’s a safe bet the temp drops…

One co worker from the mountain Provence about 1.5 hours above Baguio said sometimes cold enough for hail and even frost…

I’ve seen this on the Hawaiian Big Island hot on the beach and playing in the snow at Mauna Kea.

Looking forward to pictures and more how well you acclimate and any surprises along the way.

With the PI population expanding building is booming and the economy strong.

I find it interesting that as a rule non citizens cannot own land, divorce isn’t really an option and foreigners that screw up face consequences with no hesitation to deport…

One nurse explained it best… as a RN in the Bay Area she earns in one shift what she earned in a month as a Provence Clinic RN.

English taught in the schools is a big plus and in general Americans are welcomed…

Economy may be strong but the Philippine Peso is weak right now. The exchange rate is almost 58 P to 1 USD which is nice for us. Back in 2013 it was 40 P to 1 USD.

 

[kenmbz]

Wait until the boomers die off...there will be so many houses available that values will crater.

The higher it goes, the bigger the fall...

Those borders won't close themselves.

There are literally billions of people waiting to come here to get away from their failed governments. Think ours is corrupt, this is childs play compared to some countries.
Cheap labor,

 

[paulsharvey]

Had several acquaintances that spent time in the PI. Most had fun (some of it very odd fun, Navy guys...) and also were relieved to come home too.

It's funny how different areas of the world what is/isn't normal. Might have changed, but Hot water used to be considered a very upper class thing in PI. In Mexico, an upper middle class family will have a maid and a driver; in the US, that would be something only the wealthiest would have. A middle class family in Russia will often have a summer home outside of town (datcha), but that would be a rarity for middle class Americans. A middle class person in Spain might think nothing of taking a 5 week vacation. I'm not saying any of it is good or bad; it's partly local economics, and part of it is cultural. Even a lower to lower middle class American family will have 2 vehicles; that would be odd in many other places.

 

[Snobdds]

Those borders won't close themselves.

There are literally billions of people waiting to come here to get away from their failed governments. Think ours is corrupt, this is childs play compared to some countries.
Cheap labor,

Immigrants are being allowed in to try and tame inflation. They are being used to constrain wage growth. It's a sinister play by the elites to get cheap labor.

Due to this, they will never be allowed to gain home ownership running on the hamster wheel.

 

[paulsharvey]

I have worked around/with many many Mexicans; both legal and illegal; and most were never planning on staying here forever. Lot of them still sent money home to wife/Sancho (if you know, you know ; and had a specific goal; start a small business, build a house; basically the American dream, exported back home. Now, in my experience, the 2nd generation, born here, are a different group, culturally and work ethics. I've also worked around a pretty good number of eastern Europeans, who generally were here for good; some Nigereans, some Indians, Caribbeans;

I think a big change from earlier immigrants, is, it is Much easier to keep a connection with the old country (if they want). It used to be a one way trip; never hear from the family/friends in the old world; now, it's a $250 plane ticket home for 3 weeks.

There is also a large Myth in other parts of the world that the US is the land of milk and honey. Come here, make 10 years of income in a year and go home rich. Then they get hit with the reality of barely making it. If you go to many parts of the world, all they see of the US is TV, movies, and YouTube stars, who have 3 lambos, a beach mansion, and they think that is the norm.