Nuclear fallout information

[5030]

From one old fart to another old fart, I remember too. Remember the under the desk thing???

 

[/pine]

I can't remember how it went but I remember parts of an old joke about the topic...
It went something like After a nuclear war/attack...survivors would be digging for stone arrow and spear point to use in the "next war"...!

 

[JasperFrank]

For some reason Corvallis, Salem , and absurdly, Medford are on the target maps. Eugene Oregon, is not worth a single nuke?
I'm writing a stern letter to the Russian embassy regarding this oversight as we are a Sister City with Irkutsk, Russia.

Seriously, Medford is worthy of a nuke and Eugene isn't?


BTW, it takes high explosives to set off a fission bomb that then sets off a fusion bomb. This is the difference between a thermoneclear bomb, a hydrogen bomb, and an atomic bomb. You could argue that, by yield, a fusion bomb has less radiation. But each war head still has that fission part to it. So if anything, there will be more radiation fall out, due to the numbers deployed, then if both sides just used a few, little atomic bombs. The size and individual yield of the primer fission bombs is highly classified. Though I hear, recently, that the specs were less classified then some people thought.

Preppers still think, a nuke war exchange is survivable. You, my friends, are being sold a fantasy of protecting yourself and kin to some how repopulate the world with a certain ideology as you emerge from your radioactive proof bunker in to a radioactive world. This was the ideology the US Civil Defense maintained up, until hydrogen bombs were invented. Then, they looked at it with the new H-bomb yields, and slowly decommissioned all these public/private shelters as useless. I know this because my Grand Father had a designated shelter as the local doctor and he had a shelter set up that the Civil Defence site stocked with food and water and stuff in the Mid-sixties. When the Grand Father died in the early eighties, we still had signs that there was a fall out shelter on the property. Which could hold maybe 40 people in a town that had 2,000. How would that have worked out? This made no sense as all the rations had since gone bad and I got a letter back that the site was decommissioned, and we could do what we wanted with it. I removed all the signs. And as a note, the food from the sixties, as set up, doesn't taste good, and will make you sick for a few days. I had to do the experiment, and you shouldn't eat anything in a can that old.
There is nothing wrong with prepping for a natural disaster, I do, but prepping for a nuke war is just silly, less you want to be an Australian Aborigine. Its a long flight there. And there is nothing wrong with that, but you are still in the wrong place. Radiation, circulating in the northern hemisphere on the winds will kill all the deer, or other animals, you think you will provide as food. Eat them, and you will see cancers that slowly kill off all that you wanted to protect in a slow and painful manner.
You can not by any way, escape the entire destruction of a culture, which these devices are designed to do. And there are still way too many of them, and too many hits, to do any sort of escape in the northern hemisphere.
We have revised the idea of playing with the idea of the unthinkable after 30 years of NOT thinking about it. We are back to the bad old days of the cold war, now with two counties, and not just one. Cause if China backs Russia, we are in a bad situation.
Thats why every one in the USA, now, stops buying any thing made from China. It solves the war, with out too much effort and little conflict. When they see money isn't going their way, it will change as to who they back.

 

[rodneyn]

I can't remember how it went but I remember parts of an old joke about the topic...
It went something like After a nuclear war/attack...survivors would be digging for stone arrow and spear point to use in the "next war"...!

That was Einstein statement 4th WW we would be fighting with sticks, stones and arrows. He also said if “bees” disappear from of the earth goes ourselves in 4 years from starvation. We live in balance in many ways. Every good farmer knows this as he steward of the land.

Back to nuclear conversation we Sure cannot raise crops on irradiated soil. Pulling irradiated top soil off leaves nothing for the seed to germinate with well. Had multiple classes in college to understand survival from nuclear strike regarding agriculture. It’s impossible task for large scale farming. Realistic on smaller scale specifically hydroponics.

Problem with radiation you cannot see it smell or taste it. It passes through you destroying the body from inside out. Horrible slow death. Chernobyl incident provided a lot of insight and understanding on radiation when was I was in college.

 

[JasperFrank]

I will be shot by someone with work on my face, not knowing who they are. They killed me and wife, just because they could, thinking they would find my reserves that I didn't have. And there is now, no law after a nuclear attack. This is the world unleashed again, after everything goes bad. It goes to lawless gangs that control stuff. The stuff that is left, which some crazy's will have, also found you as targets.
You don't want this world. You will run out of ammo and food. Then what? Die of radiation poisoning?

 

[Torvy]

Given the performance of Russia in Ukraine, I would expect their missiles to be similarly unreliable. That does not mean they will not cause damage. I also think Putin overestimates the likelihood of his military actually doing that preemptively.

 

[Doughknob]

… and you might as well bend over and kiss your butt goodbye. ……

You can reach yours ?

 

[Doughknob]

Spare nuke, what are you going to do with it?

I'm certain to get nuked, i got a starlink dish sitting outside and Putain is pissed at Elon.

Putain? U mean Putler.

 

[BoylermanCT]

60% of Russia's conventional missiles fired at Ukraine failed to detonate. I am hoping the same workers built their nuclear missiles.

 

[mapper]

Since I live in the Pacific Northwest, just a few miles away from JBLM (Joint Base Lewis McChord) and the state Capitol, I may live long enough to see the fireballs before the heat and shock wave vaporizes us. Don't think I will do a lot of prepping for it.
Not real interested in living on the planet afterwards anyway.