NX4510 and NX5010 pricing and review

[paulfun9]

A six foot snowblower isn't as wide as the rear end of my tractor. And after watching videos of tractors running the type of equipment I planned to use, I went with the 60 hp. I started out thinking I'd compliment my excavator with a skid loader, then arched through looking at telehandlers to tractors. With help from the folks on the Massey forum, my suspicions that a HST transmission was the way to go limited me to around 60 hp tractors. I could have purchased a Deere 5083e pimped out for about even money, or a JCB 506 for about 30K more. The problem with the small telehandlers is that they do not have high-flow hydros and since everything they do is on the front end, hi-flow was necessary. In the end, I decided a tractor offered greater flexibility and I was limited to 60 hp. I never even considered smaller tractors since they don't have the deck-over lift capability I need.

For example: Here we see a Kubota L6060 running an Agrimetal 84" wide Max Snow. The Max Snow is arguably the best two stage blower on the market, yet we see the L6060 struggle. I can only imagine how long it would take an even lower hp tractor to blow out this drift. Oh sure, a lower hp tractor can run this very Max Snow, but if you have other things to do, other places to go, time is money.

FWIW, I'm entertaining purchasing an Agrimetal MTC 3480 Max Twin.

Sorry Eric but that is a poor choice for comparison. He is running the wrong tool for the job He should have a much taller twin auger blower and his approach would need to be slower and steady. My DK40 would run that blower just as good as he is doing with his machine with no problem I run an 84" blower on my DK40 and have the pleasure of getting big ugly drifts even from the smallest snow fall so I am not just guessing here. Deep drifts you want a taller dual auger blower and lots of patients. I also must point out that I think you will be highly disappointed with the dual fan no auger blower on your tractor. I wouldn't run one of those with anything less than 100HP in a size able to tackle any serious drifts like this one pictured.

 

[94BULLITT]

Roger, I've found out those specs are the 4510 and 5010, not the larger 5510 and 6010. For example: both the NX4510 and and NX6010 share the same cab height, yet the NX6010 has 2" more ground clearance. Wait, then the cab cannot be the same height if the entire chassis is sitting 2" higher off of the ground.

My as measured width is 78" without wheel spacers.

Do you think the length and width are the same between the smaller NXs?

 

[94BULLITT]

For anybody interested in actual facts about fuel consumption for tractors of varying horsepower, but the same displacement, we can thank the Nebraska Tractor Test protocol for absolutely refuting the kinds of nonsense some folks claim.

The Deere 4x20 series all had the same engine setup....4 cylinder, 2.4L, turbo-charged engines. Three of the four were tested, with the following results:

4720 - 51.77hp PTO, and 3.3gal/hr.
4520 - 46.58hp PTO, and 3.0gal/hr.
4320 - 41.58hp PTO, and 2.9gal/hr.

For those really quick folks, you'll notice that the bigger engines made more horsepower for each gallon of fuel used per hour.

4720 was 15.68hp per gallon, per hour.
4520 was 15.52hp per gallon, per hour.
4320 was 14.33hp per gallon, per hour.

Yep, the 4720 was more efficient than the smaller engines. Dial it back to make the same power as the smaller engines, and the fuel consumption would be either identical, or so close as to be a non-factor. Even if you ran them at PTO speeds and "wasted" power because you sized your implements wrong, and it's still not going to add up to a massive difference for folks who use their CUT the typical 100-200 hours per year.

Go from the 4320 to the 4520, and you're going to "waste" 20 gallons per year if you ran at PTO speed all the time (200 hours which is on the high side), and didn't need to because your implements were the wrong size. In reality, you're not going to be at PTO speed all the time, so it's going to be less than that....holy, moly, it might be $30 a year or some other catastrophic figure!

How much did each tractor pull?

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Sorry Eric but that is a poor choice for comparison. He is running the wrong tool for the job He should have a much taller twin auger blower and his approach would need to be slower and steady. My DK40 would run that blower just as good as he is doing with his machine with no problem I run an 84" blower on my DK40 and have the pleasure of getting big ugly drifts even from the smallest snow fall so I am not just guessing here. Deep drifts you want a taller dual auger blower and lots of patients. I also must point out that I think you will be highly disappointed with the dual fan no auger blower on your tractor. I wouldn't run one of those with anything less than 100HP in a size able to tackle any serious drifts like this one pictured.

That blower is running his power down with one auger, let alone a taller two auger blower. Also, this is a max size HST machines come in before stepping up to $100,000 TV series New Hollands, which are in the utility class, and a totally different animal with much higher operating costs. Even so, we're looking at about $65,000 in equipment working as hard as it can.

That said, your DK with less power would run this equipment even slower and you'd still be blowing out customers by the time the next snowfall comes.

 

[paulfun9]

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. That blower is running his power down with one auger, let alone a taller two auger blower. Also, this is a max size HST machines come in before stepping up to $100,000 TV series New Hollands, which are in the utility class, and a totally different animal with much higher operating costs. Even so, we're looking at about $65,000 in equipment working as hard as it can.

That said, your DK with less power would run this equipment even slower and you'd still be blowing out customers by the time the next snowfall comes.

Dude I do know what I am talking about as his HP rating dosnt make a crap of difference if the blower cant handle the amount its being force fed. That drift with a single auger would bog down a 100HP machine with ease and his approach is definitely too fast for the blower. I have right now 3 blowers at my disposal and I can guarantee that the twin auger 84 would have no problems with getting threw that drift faster on the back of my DK 40 than he could ever dream of doing with the single auger one he has, no matter what you personally may think of his machine or the manufacture of the blower. Its not always a matter of the HP at hand but how well the tool your using can make use of the HP at hand and that there is a simple mismatch for the job with a driver who thinks he can muscle his way threw because he has more PTO power than he had last year! Before I loged on I just went and cleared the road out to the barn for the first time all year with my DK and had no problem even with the drift that has been building up from the first snow of the year till now but I can assure you with a single auger it would have been a fight for any machine and speed would be no contest as the blower dictates how fast it will remove the snow so unless your PTO speed is higher the blower will work at the same speed providing you have enough power to run it to its designed abilities in the first place.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. That blower is running his power down with one auger, let alone a taller two auger blower. Also, this is a max size HST machines come in before stepping up to $100,000 TV series New Hollands, which are in the utility class, and a totally different animal with much higher operating costs. Even so, we're looking at about $65,000 in equipment working as hard as it can.

That said, your DK with less power would run this equipment even slower and you'd still be blowing out customers by the time the next snowfall comes.

Dude I do know what I am talking about as his HP rating dosnt make a crap of difference if the blower cant handle the amount its being force fed. That drift with a single auger would bog down a 100HP machine with ease and his approach is definitely too fast for the blower. I have right now 3 blowers at my disposal and I can guarantee that the twin auger 84 would have no problems with getting threw that drift faster on the back of my DK 40 than he could ever dream of doing with the single auger one he has, no matter what you personally may think of his machine or the manufacture of the blower. Its not always a matter of the HP at hand but how well the tool your using can make use of the HP at hand and that there is a simple mismatch for the job with a driver who thinks he can muscle his way threw because he has more PTO power than he had last year! Before I loged on I just went and cleared the road out to the barn for the first time all year with my DK and had no problem even with the drift that has been building up from the first snow of the year till now but I can assure you with a single auger it would have been a fight for any machine and speed would be no contest as the blower dictates how fast it will remove the snow so unless your PTO speed is higher the blower will work at the same speed providing you have enough power to run it to its designed abilities in the first place.

The Max Snow's chute is likely as big as a twin auger.

Max-Snow Snow blower | Agrimetal

 

[paulfun9]

The Max Snow's chute is likely as big as a twin auger.

Max-Snow Snow blower | Agrimetal

Well if you are unable to see the clear differences between the snow dept and how hard its packed between the vidios you posted then you shall probably never understand what I am talking about but I guarantee that the snow in the first vid would be better handled buy a taller twin auger than the blower he is using with any reasonable HP rated machine. I also guarantee I would have made faster work of it with our old twin auger and the DK than he could with his single and more power. As for the blower you are considering I must say that for normal snow that's not higher than the blower it sure looks like a nice blower and could be on the short list when I decide to get an other machine.

I will admit I should have looked closer at the twin fan design before I said anything as it seems to be a much better design than the ones I have seen so far and it could be a viable option but I would have to see how it handled a really packed drift first. I didn't see any snow in the vid that was packed as hard as the first video in the second vid unless my eyes are deceiving me somehow.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

The Max Snow's chute is likely as big as a twin auger.

Max-Snow Snow blower | Agrimetal

Well if you are unable to see the clear differences between the snow dept and how hard its packed between the vidios you posted then you shall probably never understand what I am talking about but I guarantee that the snow in the first vid would be better handled buy a taller twin auger than the blower he is using with any reasonable HP rated machine. I also guarantee I would have made faster work of it with our old twin auger and the DK than he could with his single and more power. As for the blower you are considering I must say that for normal snow that's not higher than the blower it sure looks like a nice blower and could be on the short list when I decide to get an other machine.

I will admit I should have looked closer at the twin fan design before I said anything as it seems to be a much better design than the ones I have seen so far and it could be a viable option but I would have to see how it handled a really packed drift first. I didn't see any snow in the vid that was packed as hard as the first video in the second vid unless my eyes are deceiving me somehow.

I can see the differences of the snow moisture and how packed with ice it is.

FWIW, at the end of the following video they have a Deere blowing back banks and packed snow with the Max Twin. They use bigger fans than the MTC 3480 Max Twin I'm considering, but if you look at the fan blade design, sort of like Lorenz, the blades have teeth that I presume are for gnawing up ice.

Here is a link to the Max Twin brochure. http://agrimetal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/maxtwin-snow-blower.pdf

 

[IslandTractor]

Roger, I've found out those specs are the 4510 and 5010, not the larger 5510 and 6010. For example: both the NX4510 and and NX6010 share the same cab height, yet the NX6010 has 2" more ground clearance. Wait, then the cab cannot be the same height if the entire chassis is sitting 2" higher off of the ground. My as measured width is 78" without wheel spacers. I've never knocked over a tree taller than 25' with a tractor. Chain saw 70 degree aiming cut, a matching undercut, a plunge cut setting up the hinge and trigger, and a back cut to send it down.

I am SHOCKED to hear of an inaccuracy in the Kioti website!!!

Kioti is actually quite famous for having bad info on their web pages. Never rely on it.

 

[murphy1244]

Island, the NX6010 is Cat2, allowing people to use heavier implements. Using your logic, nobody should buy 60 skip loaders, or 60hp skid loaders. That extra 15hp is completely worthless.

A 45hp machine couldn't use my rotary cutter and I think it would be hard-pressed trying to use my 84" industrial box scraper. With ballast, my 4600 pound NX6010 weights 5900 pounds. Add another 1100 pounds for a loader, another 400-500 pounds for a bucket or grapple, and the machine is 7400-7500 pounds before attaching anything at the rear. Add another 1200+ pounds for an industrial box scraper and you want to drag 8800 pounds around with 45 hp, huh?

Life is too short waiting for you to get done doing that.

And while we're at it, you go get an F250, my F150 is fine.

Eric, what size truck are you pulling all this weight with and what are the towing capabilities?