NX4510 and NX5010 pricing and review

94BULLITT · Mar 1, 2015

TSO said:
So does the Massey, but better ...

Don't forget too, some people also hay with their CUT'S, and that is another reason for higher HP.

I was thinking about that too but again why not step up to a utility.

Snow blowing is something else that requires a lot of power but a big tractor can do that too.

94BULLITT · Mar 1, 2015

peterc38 said:
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TSO · Mar 1, 2015

94BULLITT said:
I was thinking about that too but again why not step up to a utility.

Snow blowing is something else that requires a lot of power but a big tractor can do that too.

I think that for a lot of people, having one "do it all" tractor is the option they choose. No tractor is perfect for everything, but having a 60 HP HST CUT is about the best choice to cover all if your potential needs, if you have small acreage like 30 or less.

IslandTractor · Mar 1, 2015

TSO said:
I'm only quoting this to say, I think they increased the 3pt lift on the NX series over the DK series by a respectable amount... It's close to the other top rigs now. Just FYI

I'm aware it is higher but remember we are mostly discussing the NX4510 which has the exact same rating as the NX6010. Very few implements are more than 2500lbs anyways so I don't think 3PT lift is limiting any DK or NX owner.

MinnesotaEric · Mar 1, 2015

IslandTractor said:
What makes you think a NX4510 couldn't run a Woods BB720??? They absolutely can handle that mower. I happen to have a BB600 on my DK40se only because it was a great deal on CL and I already have a 75" flail mower. I don't even bother to use full PTO speed and I use the BB600 only for heavy bush hogging when I don't want to use the flail in rocky areas. I use a six foot box scraper and have no issue. I could use bigger if I need but I don't. As for how much weight I can carry around, let me remind you that the 3PT lift for the DK40se is just about the same as for theNX4510 which is identical to the NX6010. I carry around large logs in the grapple using my Woods BH90x as ballast all the time. Same size axles as you have. Essentially same hydraulics. Identical loader.

I'm wondering now if those of you who drank the Kioti HP kool aid did your homework before purchase. I know that sounds a bit snarky but really, how did you determine that you needed 60hp? Did your dealer just upsell or was there a calculation involved?

How did I determine my hp requirements? I used the three bears method in light of the minimum and maximum PTO hp requirements of the implements I planned to use as well as the size of the snow plow I needed to clear two miles of road. Also, I considered the travel speed of the tractor.

IslandTractor · Mar 1, 2015

TSO said:
I think that for a lot of people, having one "do it all" tractor is the option they choose. No tractor is perfect for everything, but having a 60 HP HST CUT is about the best choice to cover all if your potential needs, if you have small acreage like 30 or less.

I do just fine with a 41hp managing about 20 acres without strain and wouldn't blink to choose the NX4510 for that size plot. One possible exception would be if it were all pasture and required regular mowing. In that case I'd get a batwing and then ponder what size tractor I needed to mow with it.

IslandTractor · Mar 1, 2015

EricTheOracle said:
How did I determine my hp requirements? I used the three bears method in light of the minimum and maximum PTO hp requirements of the implements I planned to use as well as the size of the snow plow I needed to clear two miles of road. Also, I considered the travel speed of the tractor.

I'm gonna translate that as "wild azz guess". Not being disrespectful, I know your basic approach was logical but it really wasn't data or experience driven. PTO requirements listed by manufacturers are typically simply a regurgitation of the gearbox limits. There is absolutely no question for example that the NX4510 can run the BB720 efficiently. Box blade capacity is more limited by traction than horsepower and I can spin my wheels pretty easily in dry or wet conditions. Snow plow as in plow is likely to be another traction issue. Snow plow as in blower is indeed a HP issue but a six foot blower is certainly fine for 40hp. Unless you want wider than 12ft that is still just one up and back run. Travel speed I haven't checked and I know that the 6010 has bigger rears so maybe has a couple mph on the smaller version. On a highway that might make a bit of difference. I cannot ever travel at close to top speed on my DK on pasture or farm roads. Way too bumpy.

I know you are planning to do foundation work. Wouldn't either a BH attachment or simply renting a mini excavator make more sense than trying to dig out a foundation with a box blade and loader??? The money saved on the 15hp and ultra box blade would take you pretty close to a nice backhoe. Or, you could rent a mini excavator for a week and have beer money for life.

MinnesotaEric · Mar 1, 2015

IslandTractor said:
I'm gonna translate that as "wild azz guess". Not being disrespectful, I know your basic approach was logical but it really wasn't data or experience driven. PTO requirements listed by manufacturers are typically simply a regurgitation of the gearbox limits. There is absolutely no question for example that the NX4510 can run the BB720 efficiently. Box blade capacity is more limited by traction than horsepower and I can spin my wheels pretty easily in dry or wet conditions. Snow plow as in plow is likely to be another traction issue. Snow plow as in blower is indeed a HP issue but a six foot blower is certainly fine for 40hp. Unless you want wider than 12ft that is still just one up and back run. Travel speed I haven't checked and I know that the 6010 has bigger rears so maybe has a couple mph on the smaller version. On a highway that might make a bit of difference. I cannot ever travel at close to top speed on my DK on pasture or farm roads. Way too bumpy.

I know you are planning to do foundation work. Wouldn't either a BH attachment or simply renting a mini excavator make more sense than trying to dig out a foundation with a box blade and loader??? The money saved on the 15hp and ultra box blade would take you pretty close to a nice backhoe. Or, you could rent a mini excavator for a week and have beer money for life.

A six foot snowblower isn't as wide as the rear end of my tractor. And after watching videos of tractors running the type of equipment I planned to use, I went with the 60 hp. I started out thinking I'd compliment my excavator with a skid loader, then arched through looking at telehandlers to tractors. With help from the folks on the Massey forum, my suspicions that a HST transmission was the way to go limited me to around 60 hp tractors. I could have purchased a Deere 5083e pimped out for about even money, or a JCB 506 for about 30K more. The problem with the small telehandlers is that they do not have high-flow hydros and since everything they do is on the front end, hi-flow was necessary. In the end, I decided a tractor offered greater flexibility and I was limited to 60 hp. I never even considered smaller tractors since they don't have the deck-over lift capability I need.

For example: Here we see a Kubota L6060 running an Agrimetal 84" wide Max Snow. The Max Snow is arguably the best two stage blower on the market, yet we see the L6060 struggle. I can only imagine how long it would take an even lower hp tractor to blow out this drift. Oh sure, a lower hp tractor can run this very Max Snow, but if you have other things to do, other places to go, time is money.