Off Brand

civesnedfield · Jul 30, 2007

Well excuse me. I am not going to get into a p*****g match with the one and only Farmwithjunk. The name should say it all.

First off, check your facts. I did
About Us : John Deere Equipment

My point is two fold:

1) So many times I have herd, I am not going to buy a product made in China, Japan, India ect. Well guess what If you own a US made Tractor there is a good chance part or all of it was not made here.

2) Everyone assumes that products not made in the US are inferior. Point is if products not made here, why is JD opening a factory in India and shipping their products to the US???????????

This is the last post for me on this topic. I can see that the resident expert on all thing Tractor or tractor related has joined the board, and quite franlky arguing with him is a waste of anyones time.

Farmwithjunk · Jul 30, 2007

civesnedfield said:
Well excuse me. I am not going to get into a p*****g match with the one and only Farmwithjunk. The name should say it all.

First off, check your facts. I did
About Us : John*Deere Equipment

My point is two fold:

1) So many times I have herd, I am not going to buy a product made in China, Japan, India ect. Well guess what If you own a US made Tractor there is a good chance part or all of it was not made here.

2) Everyone assumes that products not made in the US are inferior. Point is if products not made here, why is JD opening a factory in India and shipping their products to the US???????????

This is the last post for me on this topic. I can see that the resident expert on all thing Tractor or tractor related has joined the board, and quite franlky arguing with him is a waste of anyones time.

You need to make it your last post on the subject until you do a little homework. Half truths aren't truths at all. We have another term for that where I'm from.

Deere does in fact have a plant in India. They do in fact build the 5X03 series tractors there. So what. Did I say ANYTHING derogetory about foriegn built tractors? (Answer- NO) Deere has a plant in Augusta Georgia. They build MOST of the 5000 series there. You like to pass around insults, but you also seem to like to pass around bogus information represented as "facts" Get it straight. Just because you don't know what you're talking about doesn't make you a bad guy. Just WRONG in this case.

Argueing with me when you're using bad information IS a waste of your time by the way.

Billfrommich · Jul 30, 2007

Hello
I own a third world chinese made Benye which was marketed as a Rhino 344 in the USA. By most folks definitions it's an off-brand. It has a koyker loader and runs very well with over 1000 hrs. Since I read the following release by the maker of green tractors I'm wondering if maybe we will be seeing green rhino's in the future and maybe then I will have a legitimate tractor..

MOLINE, IL (June 8, 2007) — Deere & Company, the world's largest manufacturer of agricultural equipment, said today that it plans to expand small tractor manufacturing in China by acquiring the Ningbo Benye Tractor & Automobile Manufacture Co. Ltd. business, located in Ningbo in southern China.

Deere said it has signed a definitive agreement to purchase the Benye business and is seeking final review of the transaction by government approval authorities in China.

Through the acquisition, Deere will expand the product line offered to Chinese farmers and enhance its worldwide capacity to produce low horsepower tractors. Benye mainly builds tractors in the 20 to 50 horsepower range while Deere currently builds tractors in the 60 to 120 horsepower range at its current China joint venture tractor factory, located in Tianjin.

"Our objective is to distinctly serve those who work the land," said Robert W. Lane, chairman and chief executive officer of Deere & Company. "The acquisition of Benye will allow us to better serve customers in China with a more complete product line, as well as to provide tractors from China to other locations in the world. This action is an example that John Deere continues to seek opportunities for global growth."

Deere has provided products and services to the China agricultural market since 1976 and has manufactured equipment in China since 1997, when it entered a joint venture to build combines at a factory at Jiamusi. The Jiamusi operation is now wholly–owned and the company also manufactures tractors at a joint venture, John Deere Tiantuo Co., Ltd.

Benye, which was started in 1955, is the largest tractor manufacturer in southern China. It has a new manufacturing facility that covers 200,000 square meters, which includes research and development, manufacturing, and marketing. While 95 percent of the company's current revenues come from sales within China, the company has exported tractors to 70 countries worldwide.

"We do have an ambition to grow both our domestic and export market in China," said David Everitt, president of Deere's Agricultural Division in North America, Australia, Asia, and for Global Tractor and Implement Sourcing. "Our decision to acquire Benye provides us an excellent opportunity to align with a high quality manufacturer of tractors in a horsepower range important to our customers

Farmwithjunk · Jul 30, 2007

Billfrommich said:
Hello
I own a third world chinese made Benye which was marketed as a Rhino 344 in the USA. By most folks definitions it's an off-brand. It has a koyker loader and runs very well with over 1000 hrs. Since I read the following release by the maker of green tractors I'm wondering if maybe we will be seeing green rhino's in the future and maybe then I will have a legitimate tractor..

MOLINE, IL (June 8, 2007) — Deere & Company, the world's largest manufacturer of agricultural equipment, said today that it plans to expand small tractor manufacturing in China by acquiring the Ningbo Benye Tractor & Automobile Manufacture Co. Ltd. business, located in Ningbo in southern China.

Deere said it has signed a definitive agreement to purchase the Benye business and is seeking final review of the transaction by government approval authorities in China.

Through the acquisition, Deere will expand the product line offered to Chinese farmers and enhance its worldwide capacity to produce low horsepower tractors. Benye mainly builds tractors in the 20 to 50 horsepower range while Deere currently builds tractors in the 60 to 120 horsepower range at its current China joint venture tractor factory, located in Tianjin.

"Our objective is to distinctly serve those who work the land," said Robert W. Lane, chairman and chief executive officer of Deere & Company. "The acquisition of Benye will allow us to better serve customers in China with a more complete product line, as well as to provide tractors from China to other locations in the world. This action is an example that John Deere continues to seek opportunities for global growth."

Deere has provided products and services to the China agricultural market since 1976 and has manufactured equipment in China since 1997, when it entered a joint venture to build combines at a factory at Jiamusi. The Jiamusi operation is now wholly–owned and the company also manufactures tractors at a joint venture, John Deere Tiantuo Co., Ltd.

Benye, which was started in 1955, is the largest tractor manufacturer in southern China. It has a new manufacturing facility that covers 200,000 square meters, which includes research and development, manufacturing, and marketing. While 95 percent of the company's current revenues come from sales within China, the company has exported tractors to 70 countries worldwide.

"We do have an ambition to grow both our domestic and export market in China," said David Everitt, president of Deere's Agricultural Division in North America, Australia, Asia, and for Global Tractor and Implement Sourcing. "Our decision to acquire Benye provides us an excellent opportunity to align with a high quality manufacturer of tractors in a horsepower range important to our customers

China and India have trade restrictions that make it virtually impossible for "foriegn" manufacturers to import in to their markets. To compete, they have to build products there. Deere has been front and center in "globalization" for more than 60 years. So is just about every major manufacturer of farm equipment. In time, they'll ALL be in China, India, and all over the globe. No one with an ounce of inteligence will try to claim products are AUTOMATICALLY inferior because of their point of origin. That is to be judged by actual performance on the job. Deere got into the tractor business by buying in. Nothing new, nothing shocking.

VA Rebel · Jul 30, 2007

When they start putting Mahindra in country songs, then we can stop considering them an "off brand".

Dougster · Jul 30, 2007

VA Rebel said:
When they start putting Mahindra in country songs, then we can stop considering them an "off brand".

In the great "off-brand" tractor debate of 2007... the benchmark criteria has obviously just gotten higher!

Dougster

Travis_R · Jul 30, 2007

Believe it or not, when I sing-a-long with a good ole' country tune, I DO substitute the "Deere" for "Mahindra"!! Of course, it isn' made it to the record stores, yet. Now, I guess i'll have to substitute the "Mahindra" for "Massey Ferguson", since I am buying one.

Travis R

Billfrommich · Jul 31, 2007

Now come on..... It just doesn't sound right..
She thinks my Mahindra's sexy?
After all these years I have finally found out that I do have a brand with an advantage.
I will have to ask my wife if she thinks my rhino's sexy!
Have a great day.....it's gonna be close to 100 degrees here so I've got to get outside and get my work done early today.

redlevel · Jul 31, 2007

Two weeks ago the fuel shut-off valve under the gas tank on my 1956 Ford 640 went bad. I wondered if I would ever find a replacement, one that actually fit (was made for) that particular application, or if I would have to cobble together something that would work.

I called a New Holland dealer about 30 miles from me (there were three within less than fifty miles of my little town I could have called). I told him what I needed. "Sure," he said. "We keep them in stock, and most anything else you need for your tractor. There are still forty or fifty of those tractors being used everyday in this area;, and we have to keep parts for them."

The only brands I am aware of in the USA that the same can be said for are JD, NH, Ford, MF, Case, International, Allis, and probably Kubota, since they have such an extensive dealer network. I consider all others as off-brands. I know for a fact parts are available (readily) for the older Ford, NH, and MF tractors, both from the factory and various aftermarket suppliers. I am just assuming, given the number of the other brands twenty-five-plus years old I see running, that the same is true of them.

I just bought an off-brand tractor last August. I bought a Farmtrac 535. I bought it because it is a very familar platform, and appeared to be just as tough and reliable as the old Fords it is based on. If I had been an International user, and if there had been a good Mahindra dealer close around, I might have considered that particular "off-brand".

I actually agonized over that tractor purchase for a long time. Like FWJ, I am a MF guy, having owned and operated probably a dozen MF's over the last 30 years. Two things made me decide on the Farmtrac. (1) It came from a dealer that I have done business with in the past, who actually used to be a Ford/NH dealer. (2) I have watched the Farmtrac display at the Sunbelt Ag Expo in Moultrie, GA grow from one or two tractors with a couple of local dealers representing the brand to a large, well-laid-out display with tractors representing the complete line, and several factory reps in attendance. In other words, it doesn't look like a fly-by-night operation any more.

In my mind, any brand that doesn't yet have a proven, reliable parts/dealer network over the long haul (fifty years

not really, but 10-15 at least ) is an off brand. I still consider Mahindra and Farmtrac, along with some others, in that catagory.

In fifty years, I hope parts will be available for my off-brand tractor like they are for my old Ford. I won't be around to appreciate it, but somebody will.