Off Brand

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remember it wasn't to long ago that a kobota was a way off brand also

You're right. They developed a network of reputable, competent dealers who supported what was an excellent product. Now they are a major brand in the US, as they already were in other parts of the world.

I remember when the first guy showed up at the barber shop in a Datsun pickup in my town forty years ago. He had to go somewhere else to get his hair cut we were all laughing so hard. We knew those little pickups would never catch on. Same goes for the first Honda automobile I ever saw. They were a novelty. Given time, the off-brand tractors may achieve the same status the Hondas, Toyotas, and Nissans (Datsun) have.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

These old Fords are easy to get parts for. I just had to replace the fuel line on my 640 and clean the carb while I was at it. Go to the dealer and get the fuel line and carb rebuild kit (incase I needed it when I tore the carb open) and go back to the barn. CNH keeps a good supply of parts but it is the individual dealers who have to stock them so I am sure some of the new NH dealerships probably don't stock a lot of old Ford parts unless there was an old Ford dealership in the area before.

The dealer network is what makes or breaks a company in the tractor world.

 

[Tim_in_IA]

I see threads like these come up from time to time, and notice how upset people get with each other over them. It's just plain silly to me. Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Mahindra, John Deere, Kubota. They are all great machines. Why do we need to bicker over them? Mahindra has nothing to prove. They are a world class company and that will only spread further throughout the USA. I own John Deeres, Farmalls, a Mahindra, and many other implements from other Ag companies. I love them all. There is plenty of room for everybody guys. Just relax a bit.

 

[BobG_in_VA]

I see threads like these come up from time to time, and notice how upset people get with each other over them. It's just plain silly to me. Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Mahindra, John Deere, Kubota. They are all great machines. Why do we need to bicker over them? Mahindra has nothing to prove. They are a world class company and that will only spread further throughout the USA. I own John Deeres, Farmalls, a Mahindra, and many other implements from other Ag companies. I love them all. There is plenty of room for everybody guys. Just relax a bit.

Tim, I'm with you. I grew up with Fords and JDs and Farmalls (I'm 57 so you do the figurin')....I now own 3 Farmalls and a BIG RED MAHINDRA. Folks can make statements about tractors they own or are COMPLETELY familiar with SEMI-COLON: but pls remain silent on brands they are totally uninformed about.....Oh, yeah, you know who you are....BobG in VA

 

[Robert_in_NY]

but pls remain silent on brands they are totally uninformed about.....Oh, yeah, you know who you are....BobG in VA

Who are they? Most of they guys posting on this thread know what they are talking about and if they don't they are learning as the thread progresses. Now if you are talking about the OP who so far appears to be the only one in this thread to make a false statement about the entire JD 5000 line being built overseas then I understand your point. Otherwise I don't know what your trying to say.

 

[civesnedfield]

Gentlemen I do apoligize for making false statement previously. This does need a bit of explaining though. If you look at the original link I posted
Deere & Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You will notice that under the heading of Other Important Factories:
it is listed 5000 Series tractor manufacturers. No mention of paticular model numbers just the 5000 series.
Upon further investigation I found this:
About Us : John Deere Equipment
Here I found that "The factory currently produces modern tractors of 35, 40, 42, 47, 50, 55 and 70 Hp capacities for domestic markets. Tractors manufactured in Sanaswadi are also exported to the USA, Mexico, Turkey, North and South Africa, and South East Asia. "
I now realize that that the HP's listed do not encompass the entire 5000 line. Still in my defence JD does not even tell us exactly what Models are exported to the US. But not being totally informed does not absolve me of all my sins.

Had I been informed that a website was available to see what models are built where, instead of being accused of publishing half truths, I would have been educated insteaded of offended.

We are all here for one (maybe more that one) reason, to learn from each others experience.

That being said, I still believe every one needs to be aware that you may think that your favorite brand is made here in the good ole USA but chances are you may be sitting on quite a bite of foriegn made parts.

I leave you with this little example someone sent me recently. It was entitled Job search:



Joe Smith started the day early having set his alarm clock (MADE IN JAPAN) for 6am. While his coffeepot (MADE IN CHINA) was perking, he shaved with his electric razor (MADE IN HONG KONG). He put on a dress shirt (MADE IN SRI LANKA), designer jeans (MADE IN SINGAPORE) and tennis shoes (MADE IN KOREA). After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet(MADE IN INDIA) he sat down with his calculator (MADE IN MEXICO) to see how much he could spend today. After setting his watch (MADE IN TAIWAN) to the radio (MADE IN INDIA) he got in his car (MADE IN GERMANY) filled it with GAS from (Saud i Arabia) and continued his search for a good paying AMERICAN JOB. At the end of yet another discouraging and fruitless day checking his Computer (Made In Malaysia)(with tech support in INDIA), Joe decided to relax for a while. He put on his sandals (MADE! IN BRAZIL) poured himself a glass of wine (MADE IN FRANCE! France!!) and turned on his TV(MADE IN INDONESIA), and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in.. AMERICA.....

 

[Robert_in_NY]

My reply wasn't meant as an attack towards you. It was a question towards BobG and his mention about people talking about brands they know nothing about. I was just trying to figure out who he was talking about.

Everyone makes mistakes as I thought some of the original 5000 series tractors were originally made in Germany or somewhere in Europe. I can not find the information on them to verify it though

 

[civesnedfield]

My reply wasn't meant as an attack towards you. It was a question towards BobG and his mention about people talking about brands they know nothing about. I was just trying to figure out who he was talking about.

Everyone makes mistakes as I thought some of the original 5000 series tractors were originally made in Germany or somewhere in Europe. I can not find the information on them to verify it though

Did not take it that way at all. I just felt that I needed to say what I had to say.

 

[VistanTN]

I think the biggest part of the problem is that anyone over ... you pick an age ... still has a hard time grasping the level of globalization that has occurred in the last 15 years ... two examples and I'll be quiet:

My Mahindra: Indian tractor, right? Well, yes the frame, engine, tranny and sheet netal were manufactured in India. The front axle is Italian. The loader, hydraulics (mostly), seat, canopy, tires, and rims are US and the whole thing was assembled in either Tomball, TX or Dalton, GA.

My first Dodge Caravan (I was proud to "buy American" had a Mitsubishi engine and transaxle and was assembled in Canada.

The "home" of the brand label is no longer a statement of the exclusive country of origin.

 

[Keith_B]

The word manufactured is often used synonymously with assembled today. Deere doesn't really manufacture tractors in Augusta, but assembles the tractors there. Building 21st century John Deere tractors - 3/1/2001 - Modern Materials Handling

This is pretty common in today's world. Individual components are outsourced, and everything is brough together in a central location for assembly.

There aren't a lot of companies left out there that take in the raw materials and turn out a finished product in a single location. Along with the globalization came a lot of specialization, and there are many plants that contribute to a completed item, be it car, tractor, computer, etc.

I think it is kind of ironic that the brands that many people consider to be off brands have often manufactured tractors for companies that people consider not to be off brands.