Off Road Diesel

Holzster · Feb 1, 2005

I live in North Texas - I have a small tree farm, I still work full time off the farm but I was wondering what I have to do to get off road Diesel for my tractor (nothing else) the tractor will not be on any road just my land.
Questions are: Is there a permit required? If yes where do I get the permit? also is there a place I can pick up the Diesel in the North Texas area? As I will be only gettin about 30 gallans at a time. I am not a big time Diesel buyer but I am looking for any way of cutting costs and over a year this will add up.

MadReferee · Feb 1, 2005

Anybody can buy off-road diesel. No permit is needed. You just cannot use it in your registered car or truck on the open road.

I am sure one of our Texas residents can point you to a local distributor.

sneaky_pete · Feb 1, 2005

Sounds like you're farther north than I am, but I get mine at Dillard Feed & Seed in Weatherford. No permit needed, just bring a container and pump it in.

Dillard Feed & Seed Inc
319 N Main St, Weatherford, TX 817-594-4723

If they're too far away, try any large feed store near you.

Pete

EddieWalker · Feb 1, 2005

In Smith County, I had to have a tax ID number to get off road diesel. I don't know if this is a county rule or state wide.

I went to the tax office and told them I had land that I planned to sell timber from and needed a tax ID number. I filled out the papers and got the certificate.

If you do this, use a fake phone number because every credit card salesman in the state will call you to set up a new account.

Once you have the tax number, they will require you to fill out a form at the station, then you buy what you need.

I bought 40 gallons at a time until I built my fuel trailer, now I buy 200 gallons at a time.

To deliver it, they required 300 gallons at a time, or they charge an additional $50 delivery fee. This was true with two different suppliers, but could be totally different in your area.

You can ask just about anybody you see on a tractor where they get their off road diesel. Thats how I found out about my locations.

I'm saving around .35 cents per gallon.

Eddie

Bird · Feb 1, 2005

Just stop by your nearest wholesale fuel distributor and ask them. The laws are always changing. I never used dyed fuel at all, but used to buy regular #2 diesel from my local distributor and there was a form I had to fill out and sign the first time, then the distributor had to keep that form on file. Then they changed the law and I had to mail a form (application) to Austin and they mailed one back to me, and I continued to buy the regular diesel. The form I had to sign said that I'd never buy more than 10,000 gallons in a month, never use any of it in a vehicle on the road, never sell any, etc. But I know the law has changed again and I think that now you can only buy the dyed fuel without paying the taxes.

EddieWalker · Feb 1, 2005

Bird, you reminded my "WHY" I went down to get a tax ID number.

Starting in Jan of 2004, you could no longer turn in your diesel fuel receipts and get a refund for the tax you paid on fuel used on the farm.

Before then, all you had to do was save those reciepts and claim the amount you paid in tax on the fuel you bought. The state of Texas would then refund you that amount.

They don't do that anymore, and the only way to get tax free diesel is to buy the red stuff.

soarkrebel · Feb 3, 2005

Man i have a service station about a mile from my house that sells it.........but i am in arkansas! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

If i want to buy more than 15 gallons i buy from a distributor. just pump and pay no tax!!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Mith · Feb 3, 2005

does anyone know if the cazse is the same in the UK?
thanks

Holzster · Feb 4, 2005

Mith

That you might have to ask someone over there, We have it here because of the large amount of OFF road work that is done. But I bet one call you your local/area ag rep can answer that.

LarryD · Feb 8, 2005

I just get mine at the local Cenex feed store. Had to pay cash at first but the owner put me in for a card to authorize off-road purchase outside regular working hours.
I think Cenex is located this side of the Mississippi so there should be locations all over Texas.

flatheadlake · Feb 8, 2005

Wow, sounds complicated in other places. Here in Montana Off-Road is sold in just about every gas station, no questions asked. I have at least three places to by it in a town of just over 4,000 people, right at the pump.

CTyler · Feb 8, 2005

We can buy it at the pump or have it delivered with a 100 gallon minimum. Its quite a bit cheaper to have it delivered so I setup an account with the fuel distributer.

texastomtom · Feb 11, 2005

Just got my permit a few months ago...

No one can legally sell it to another unless that party has a permit..... ( in texas )

Fill out a form,, send in... Texas will send you back a couple copies of it.... Xerox them and provide it to any place that deals with diesel (red) and they can LEGALLY sell to you.

That was the law as explained to me a few months ago by my distributor...

At the same time if you can buy it down the road, even if you got caught the small quantities probably involved, and the fact you could easily prove how you use it.... Not a big deal...

The form I signed included language to the effect that I WOULD NOT sell it or otherwise transfer it.

All it cost me was a stamp and I'm legal..........

texastomtom · Feb 11, 2005

Just got my permit a few months ago...

No one can legally sell it to another unless that party has a permit..... ( in texas )

Fill out a form,, send in... Texas will send you back a couple copies of it.... with your permit number. Xerox them and provide it to any place that deals with diesel (red) and they can LEGALLY sell to you.

That was the law as explained to me a few months ago by my distributor...

At the same time if you can buy it down the road, even if you got caught the small quantities probably involved, and the fact you could easily prove how you use it.... Not a big deal...

The form I signed included language to the effect that I WOULD NOT sell it or otherwise transfer it.

All it cost me was a stamp and I'm legal..........

Without the permit I was unable to get any of the places nearby to consider selling to me... Even when I was going to pump directly into tractor. That tells me 2 things. 1.. They know better and 2.. They probably sold some and got caught and are taking no more chances.

Good Luck !

soaraway · Feb 22, 2005

Here in Florida my options for diesel are 1) #1 diesel fuel or 2) #2 dryed high sulfur off-road fuel
My John Deere dealer has recommended that I use the #1 fuel.

KennedyDiesel · Feb 23, 2005

#1 is extremely clean burning, but lower BTU's Stick with a good grade of #2 it is better.

MF1455v · Feb 23, 2005

Holzster, I don't know anything about the permits but, Millen Oil Co in McKinney delivers to most of the farms around me. They are on main street just east of Hwy 5. I had a friend that ran a small dozer service and that is where he was getting fuel from. He had one of those large L shaped tanks under his tool box in back of truck and would just stop by and have it filled. I'm sure they could help you out.

Holzster · Feb 23, 2005

MF1455v

Can a person go to that place in McKinney to get some & not have it delivered? Do you know?

SkyPup · Feb 23, 2005

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Here in Florida my options for diesel are 1) #1 diesel fuel or 2) #2 dryed high sulfur off-road fuel
My John Deere dealer has recommended that I use the #1 fuel. )</font>

Nobody in Florida has any business running #1 Diesel unless the daily temperature maximum is 15*F or below.

You need a new dealer if in fact he recommends you to use #1 /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

cowboydoc · Feb 23, 2005

Skypup is exactly right!! No way you should burn #1 unless it's absolutely necessary. Especially don't use it for older diesels. Kerosene burns very dry and it's not good for diesels on a long-term basis.